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To think this dog should be destroyed and the owner imprisoned?

208 replies

YaWeeFurryBastard · 23/03/2023 17:15

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html

Apologies if there’s been another thread on this but I couldn’t see one! A police horse has been attacked an injured by an off-lead dog in London. No prizes for guessing the breed 🙄.

AIBU to think if the dog is capable of attacking a horse (I think we can assume unprovoked) then there is a serious risk of fatal consequences to a human from this dog and therefore it needs to be put down?

Dog seized after attack on police horse in east London

Police told owners ‘Keep dogs on a lead if you can’t recall them or get them under control’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html

OP posts:
kirsty2023 · 23/03/2023 21:33

YaWeeFurryBastard · 23/03/2023 17:15

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html

Apologies if there’s been another thread on this but I couldn’t see one! A police horse has been attacked an injured by an off-lead dog in London. No prizes for guessing the breed 🙄.

AIBU to think if the dog is capable of attacking a horse (I think we can assume unprovoked) then there is a serious risk of fatal consequences to a human from this dog and therefore it needs to be put down?

Just seen the video of it and it's seem like the owner hasn't got a clue theses breeds need to be put on the banned list end of that could of been a child

Greenfairydust · 23/03/2023 21:40

I also feel sad for the dog as well though.

Because it is usually the fault of the owner if the dog is not trained and managed properly. The idiot probably trained him to be aggressive.

Once I did a hack in Hyde Park and as we were going back to the stables using a small side street some idiot guy was getting his two dogs out his car, one of the dog took off and ran towards my horse. Thankfully it only started sniffing him and running around its legs and the horse did not freak out. I can't think what it would have been like to have a horse spooking and running off in the middle of London traffic...

sanityisamyth · 23/03/2023 21:48

OrangeKettle · 23/03/2023 21:12

The owner sounds like a spoilt, entitled, pathetic twat. Is it definite he can’t be destroyed?

That would be ideal.

ALifeofChaos · 23/03/2023 21:49

EggInANest · 23/03/2023 21:17

@ALifeofChaos I am so sorry - your poor daughter. Poor you. I felt sick reading that account.

Thank you. I honestly feel so lucky that so many people came to our rescue that day. There were so many sliding doors moments too - like my daughter telling me last minute that it had stopped raining so I could use the buggy (the rain cover was in the car which my husband had that day). If my baby had been in a sling it would've been so different.

It's so sad though as I LOVE dogs. My parents had a golden retriever and they stayed with us for a bit too so he became even more a part of the family until he sadly died. He was such a crazy yet gentle soul that never so much as nipped - but even then we ensured he was never alone with the children just in case.

Onahillagain · 23/03/2023 21:52

Was it one of those Staffie type dogs? I find they are often the nasty ones involved in attacks

No it’s an American Bully XL. Think Staffie on steroids/ giant pit bull. Whatever problems we’ve seen with those ‘Staffie type dogs’ up to now they’re a fraction in comparison to the carnage and horror we are going to see unfold over the years ahead if we don’t do something to stop these Bully XLs now.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 23/03/2023 22:00

There is zero point in banning XL bullies. The type of people who own them won't care or will just move onto another breed.

I don't know what the answer is but we need to stop idiots owning and breeding dogs.

There's a fair few around where I live and I feel nervous walking my little dogs. I've never felt that way around other dogs before. They are often off lead even by the road and I known I've got zero chance of fighting one off.

As a former horse owner that was tough to watch. The horse was a saint. It's a shame he didn't double barrel the dog.

Nailsandthesea · 23/03/2023 22:07

BCfan · 23/03/2023 17:39

I have horses and dogs.

You can't assume that a dog that would attack a horse would attack people, completely different in the eyes of the dog - horses are, and behave as, prey animals.

I've unfortunately had several incidents with poorly controlled dogs when riding my horse(s) out and about. Without exception it's the gormless middle class morons who have dogs like cockerpoos, huskies etc rather than the people who have XL bullys.

Bloody hell - I have Labradors and taught them from birth to lie completely down and still whenever a horse comes up to them or we meet one out walking

XenoBitch · 23/03/2023 22:12

Nailsandthesea · 23/03/2023 22:07

Bloody hell - I have Labradors and taught them from birth to lie completely down and still whenever a horse comes up to them or we meet one out walking

How do you train a dog to behave around horses if you rarely see them, though?

PhoenixIsFlying · 23/03/2023 22:14

I honestly find it shocking how quickly everyone can just say, yes put it down. It's a life. OK so it attacked a horse but that is the fault of the owner not the dog. I see quite a few bull breeds walking my dog and they are perfectly friendly. I just hate how we can think its OK to destroy a life just like that. On the whole dogs are much better behaved than humans but we don't put humans down.

piedbeauty · 23/03/2023 22:16

The owner is a total bellend.

XenoBitch · 23/03/2023 22:16

PhoenixIsFlying · 23/03/2023 22:14

I honestly find it shocking how quickly everyone can just say, yes put it down. It's a life. OK so it attacked a horse but that is the fault of the owner not the dog. I see quite a few bull breeds walking my dog and they are perfectly friendly. I just hate how we can think its OK to destroy a life just like that. On the whole dogs are much better behaved than humans but we don't put humans down.

I agree... and how people assume that a dog who attacks an animal will go for a human next.

Saschka · 23/03/2023 22:21

WeWereInParis · 23/03/2023 17:20

And unsurprisingly the owner has described the dog as "so friendly"

Aren't they bloody always.

And bitching that people were being “really rude” to him, and blaming the horse for forcing the dog to attack it by being horsy in public Hmm

We just need “only playing” and we’ll have shit owner bingo.

EggInANest · 23/03/2023 22:23

XenoBitch · 23/03/2023 22:16

I agree... and how people assume that a dog who attacks an animal will go for a human next.

Thank goodness the humans are safe from this dog. Bit tough on the next sensitive horse that gets its skin ripped off though. Or whatever 'prey' animal it identifies next.

XenoBitch · 23/03/2023 22:26

EggInANest · 23/03/2023 22:23

Thank goodness the humans are safe from this dog. Bit tough on the next sensitive horse that gets its skin ripped off though. Or whatever 'prey' animal it identifies next.

My dog has caught a squirrel before. Does that mean she will go and chomp on a baby? Utterly ridiculous to assume she would.

Bobshhh · 23/03/2023 22:31

All XL bullies and all XL bully owners should be shut together in a compound for the next 500 years until they both die out.

PhoenixIsFlying · 23/03/2023 22:33

Also, the highest number of attacks by dogs that people seek treatment in hospital for is by Labradors . Maybe we should put Labradors on the dangerous dogs list.

kirsty2023 · 23/03/2023 22:34

Chesneyhawkes1 · 23/03/2023 22:00

There is zero point in banning XL bullies. The type of people who own them won't care or will just move onto another breed.

I don't know what the answer is but we need to stop idiots owning and breeding dogs.

There's a fair few around where I live and I feel nervous walking my little dogs. I've never felt that way around other dogs before. They are often off lead even by the road and I known I've got zero chance of fighting one off.

As a former horse owner that was tough to watch. The horse was a saint. It's a shame he didn't double barrel the dog.

Same where I live loads of them around never on a lead and always seem to be with young lads I've got a pug and I normally walk her with a friend and her dog but stopped going to the same place as a few dogs have been killed there in the past month I hate going on dog walks now as always have to keep a look out my dog is never off her lead unless she's in the garden...

BounceyB · 23/03/2023 22:37

Breeds should never be banned. I think all dogs should have to be insured, chipped and licensed. All owners should have to be prepared to do mandatory dog training. Until the dog has completed an appropriate of training (6 months) they shouldn't be allowed off lead. It took me a year to train my dog and I'm always learning more - I feel like this is how it should be.

Ricco12 · 23/03/2023 22:47

I don't think the dog should be destroyed but absolutely taken from that idiot and rehomed to a responsible owner

The only way to combat the current issue with out of control dogs is to what some other countries do

Muzzle and lead at all times in public for all dogs.

begoneday · 23/03/2023 22:52

XenoBitch · 23/03/2023 21:17

But this dog did not attack a person. It attacked a prey animal. Dogs who attack other animals are not automatically euthanised.
JRT who go for rats would be put to sleep, a greyhound who catches a squirrel in the park would be put to sleep, a lab who attacks a sheep would be put to sleep.
As has been said many times... dogs know the difference between other animals and humans.

XL bullies must be the stupidest dogs on earth then because they keep attacking and killing humans.

Onahillagain · 23/03/2023 22:52

Muzzle and lead at all times in public for all dogs.

That won’t solve the problem though. These idiots who are buying these types of dogs won’t obey any laws, they’ll continue to allow them to be off lead, or escape etc and there won’t be any police around to stop them. Not until it’s too late.

The only way will be to stop the existence of them altogether. Stop them being imported. Stop them being bred.

FrostyFifi · 23/03/2023 23:01

I don't think just being dangerous to humans should be a criteria for a dog being destroyed, I think it's reasonable in cases where they are a danger to other dogs and livestock as well.

Clearly if they manage to maul another animal then the owner isn't capable of controlling them.

XenoBitch · 23/03/2023 23:10

FrostyFifi · 23/03/2023 23:01

I don't think just being dangerous to humans should be a criteria for a dog being destroyed, I think it's reasonable in cases where they are a danger to other dogs and livestock as well.

Clearly if they manage to maul another animal then the owner isn't capable of controlling them.

OK, so if a cat kills a bird, then do you think you should scoop them up and take them to the vets to be killed?
Because that is batshit, and is what you are suggesting for dogs.

FrostyFifi · 23/03/2023 23:13

OK, so if a cat kills a bird, then do you think you should scoop them up and take them to the vets to be killed?
Because that is batshit, and is what you are suggesting for dogs

No, obviously that's extreme, but I do think responsible dog owners, horse-riders, farmers etc have the right not to have their animals injured or killed by out of control dogs. It would put the onus on the owner to ensure that the dog is kept under control.

This is already partially the situation as it is, given that a farmer can obviously shoot dogs worrying his animals.

Maverickess · 24/03/2023 00:25

I don't know about the dog, attacking a horse is different to attacking a human, she's an XL Bully - Bull - Bull Terrier, it's literally what her breeding is about, taking down large prey animals like bulls, or horses.
It's a logical conclusion to draw that a dog with breeding like that will be more likely to go after a horse if unrestrained and the owner clearly doesn't understand that because he's saying the dog was intimidated by the horse - highly unlikely for a dog of that size, strength and breeding imo.

It's like me taking my JRT somewhere there are small and furries and claiming I didn't know that she'd be likely to do that because she's good with people. I know she's more likely to go after a rabbit or rat because that's what she's bred to do, possibly even a smaller cat. I have trained her with cats, but you can never train instinct out entirely and so she stays on the lead in a situation where there might be a risk. Tbh she grew up with a cat who put her in her place from a tiny puppy, and she's normally wary of cats for that reason, but I wouldn't trust her 100% with one because of her breeding and because she's a relative size - around a horse, not an issue of strength and size, but still capable of causing a problem none the less.

But, these dogs are attacking people too, and I do believe that breeds have traits that we've bred into them and although I'm loathe to condemn a breed because they often attract idiots, unfortunately they attract these idiots for a reason - what we've selectively bred into them. Size, strength and aggression with these types of breed as a show of force and for the 'thrill' of thinking they can control a dog like that.

But I'm clear on the fact that it's the idiots at fault, and I feel desperately sorry for these dogs that end up in these situations because they're doing what instinct tells them, without training to counteract that, and they haven't been given a bloody chance by irresponsible breeders and owners, by even something as simple as putting the dog on a lead in public or keeping them away from children - as you should with any dog.

This owner is beyond belief, playing the victim about people being 'rude' to him and bleating how the dog is his baby girl and keeps him going - I call bollocks, she's a statement dog and that statement is 'Look how hard and Gangsta I am'. And he's right about getting kicked by a horse being dangerous, but it was his responsibility to stop that attack and he didn't even try. Tells me everything I need to know, more bothered about his own neck than stopping her attacking the horse, or trying to protect her from the hooves - if he loved the dog as much as he claims and thought she reacted in fear, why didn't he try and stop it for her protection, even if he didn't give a shit about the horse. I hope that if it gets to court and he has his 'say' it's explained to him in small, on syllable words how fucking ridiculous he is.

That dog is as much of a victim as the horse.
And I say that as a horse lover, that was awful to watch, and it's so lucky the horse didn't go down because he looked like he was going to a couple of times and that would have been catastrophic for the horse and dangerous for the rider and those around.

Been in the horse world a long time and dog attacks aren't rare, I've experienced two and most horsey friends have also had at least one incident - but they're rarely dealt with, and they're becoming more common, along with dog on dog attacks and dog on human attacks. I love my dogs and dogs in general, but, we have a serious problem developing with the growing number of dogs that aren't under control, trained or restrained and people owning them who don't care and are putting their dogs in these situations, as well as the other animals and people getting hurt or worse. Something needs to be done.