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To think this dog should be destroyed and the owner imprisoned?

208 replies

YaWeeFurryBastard · 23/03/2023 17:15

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html

Apologies if there’s been another thread on this but I couldn’t see one! A police horse has been attacked an injured by an off-lead dog in London. No prizes for guessing the breed 🙄.

AIBU to think if the dog is capable of attacking a horse (I think we can assume unprovoked) then there is a serious risk of fatal consequences to a human from this dog and therefore it needs to be put down?

Dog seized after attack on police horse in east London

Police told owners ‘Keep dogs on a lead if you can’t recall them or get them under control’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html

OP posts:
Marchintospring · 23/03/2023 18:40

There’s a massive difference a dog chasing and biting another animal and a human. Most dogs know the difference. Those that don’t get put down.
Owners however need to have control. Doesn’t matter if it’s humans horses or sheep.
The muppets owner here failed to take any action and needs an unbelievably massive fine. So big it puts him off ever owning another dog.

The worry about putting the dog down is the dick owner getting a replacement. Even with a ban it would be difficult to stop him having another. He’ll say he’s looking after his friends dog.

Suzi888 · 23/03/2023 18:41

@Thesharkradar no need for that. Dogs are vermin? Numbers need reducing?

Have a word with yourself.

Prescottdanni123 · 23/03/2023 18:41

Horses/sheep/cows etc are completely different to humans in a dogs eyes. The dog will have seen the horse as a prey animal. This does not necessarily mean it will go for people. I had a border terrier who always wanted to chase horses. She was never successful because she was always on the lead around them. But she was lovely with people.

That owner was an absolute dickhead for not having the dog under control though.

CherryCokeFanatic · 23/03/2023 18:44

Was it one of those Staffie type dogs? I find they are often the nasty ones involved in attacks

WiddlinDiddlin · 23/03/2023 18:45

Absolutely, though I don't know why anyone suspects the dog wouldn't be, as the owner pretty much handed it to the police and walked away.

In such a case, a dangerous dog surrended to police will have been euthanised within hours. The chances of the dog not being dead by now are next to nil.

Train007 · 23/03/2023 18:45

WeWereInParis · 23/03/2023 17:20

And unsurprisingly the owner has described the dog as "so friendly"

Aren't they bloody always.

You cannot argue with stupid …the owner apparently blamed the horse !

ExtraOnions · 23/03/2023 18:46

The owner is one of these awful “Doggo” types, who treat their dogs like they are children, rather than the (potentially dangerous) animal they are. All this “baby girl” nonsense, shows one thing to me .. that he is not a suitable owner.

Seems that people own these XL Bully dogs, because they want to be seen with them “awww look at me and my big soft dog” or “look how tough I am with my big dog”.

If you look at Dog Attacks (fatal ones in particular) .. you don’t find many being perpetrated by Cockapoos, Golden Retrievers, or Collies.

It’s quite right to blame the owners, and it’s unfortunate that it’s the dogs that end up being destroyed, but, these owners should not be owning these dogs in the first place.. how can you stop them though ? One thing is for sure, they need to be on a lead

WiddlinDiddlin · 23/03/2023 18:47

Ah, just read the latest, the earlier report I read said the owner handed the dog over and walked off.

If the owner has NOT signed the dog over, instead the dog has been seized, then teh dog will be in police kennels until a court case.

He stands no chance of proving the dog is not dangerous - theres a ton of evidence that she is.

He could potentially get her back with a control order -but the court would need to believe he'd abide by that order and depending on his history, they may well not.

Pointerdogsrule · 23/03/2023 18:47

MisgenderedSwan · 23/03/2023 17:23

I saw this earlier, the dog was biting at the horse's legs. The rider did very well to stay seated. It is not normal for a dog to do that. I think that dog should be destroyed, it is an accident or serious attack waiting to happen.

Its perfectly normal for that breed to do that, its origin is the Old English Bulldog, which were bred to take down large animals like bulls.

Gruesome, but its stupid to think its not normal for an American Bully to do this, we did this to this animal, that what it was bred for.

Nap1983 · 23/03/2023 18:50

I posted earlier about a pup latching on to my horses tail. That was a pup who never knew anything about danger. Im 25 years I’ve never came across another dog brave enough to actually attack.. plenty barking and chasing.. but to actually be brave enough to attack another animal that size is terrifying…

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/03/2023 18:50

starfro · 23/03/2023 18:26

Threads like this attract the sadistic dog hating trolls that seem to get excited by the prospect of one being put down.

Poor horse, poor dog.

I'm anything but a sadistic dog troll. I have dogs.

I don't know what the solution is for these breeds.

Yes, I know it's not the breed and the dog that determine the behaviour, but I also know that some dogs just attract the most irresponsible and clueless owners. There are so many around these day and they scare me.

Oysterbabe · 23/03/2023 18:53

I've seen that picture of his smirking face coupled with his total inaction and I wonder if this was an accident at all.
His bleating about wanting his baby back are just regret for having having spunked a couple of grand on a dog that's going to be killed.

Speedweed · 23/03/2023 18:57

Agree with @LlynTegid that the law should be changed so that any harm the dog does is treated as if the owner did it.

Unfortunately the dog would probably have to be destroyed, as who else would want such a dog, other than another stupid owner using it for status?

habbiespond · 23/03/2023 18:57

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/03/2023 18:50

I'm anything but a sadistic dog troll. I have dogs.

I don't know what the solution is for these breeds.

Yes, I know it's not the breed and the dog that determine the behaviour, but I also know that some dogs just attract the most irresponsible and clueless owners. There are so many around these day and they scare me.

It is the breed. They're bred for fighting, just as a retriever is bred to retrieve or a collie is bred to herd. The dog is doing what it was successfully bred to do.

Theunamedcat · 23/03/2023 18:58

hmrcwoes · 23/03/2023 17:33

I don't think the dog should be destroyed. Think that's an extreme reaction. It should be on a lead yes but not killed

Seriously? It attacked a HORSE a large and intimidating animal how easy will it be to go for a human next time? A child? Maybe it gets scared by someone in a wheelchair or a pushchair and decides to attack them too?

Fucks sake

Jonei · 23/03/2023 19:01

The dog definitely needs to be destroyed.next time it could be someone's child. And the owner should be prosecuted for being an irresponsible waste of space.

redboxer321 · 23/03/2023 19:01

I think the dog owner should be put down.
Not sure about the dog but sadly, probably, yes.
And I don't think we have any business using horses to try to keep control of human beings.

Lockheart · 23/03/2023 19:02

It's an awful incident. I wouldn't usually advocate for this but in this instance I think the dog needs to be put down.

Personally I would like to see American bullies / XL American bullies banned as a breed in the UK. Not only because they are horrendously overbred and increasingly deformed, but also because there is a huge criminal underworld that goes along with the breeding of these dogs. A number are bred for fighting and they are dangerous due to their strength (other dogs are strong too, but without the over-breeding or use for fighting).

(There are lots of other breeds I'd like to see banned for health reasons, but they don't tend to have the dangerous / criminal elements!).

Jonei · 23/03/2023 19:05

think the dog owner should be put down.

If only that was an option.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/03/2023 19:05

habbiespond · 23/03/2023 18:57

It is the breed. They're bred for fighting, just as a retriever is bred to retrieve or a collie is bred to herd. The dog is doing what it was successfully bred to do.

They need to be banned then.

Suzi888 · 23/03/2023 19:06

I haven’t watched the video, can’t abide watching animals suffer….

These dogs are watch dogs, suspicious, need constant socialisation, training, bloody hard work and a bit stupid. Neighbour has one and I’ve been popping in to walk him. Bloody petrified of his own shadow, left on his own far too much, untrained, a recipe for disaster.

They’re strong, but not so strong that you can’t hold one back. If I can do it, I’m sure a full grown, adult man could. So why didn’t he? Was the dog on a lead?

roseopose · 23/03/2023 19:06

Fucking scumbag. If the dog isn't put down then it certainly shouldn't be returned to him. Of course a horse being attacked and in pain is going to kick out. They don't have massive jaws and teeth capable of reciprocating an attack like that.

Lockheart · 23/03/2023 19:06

Butchyrestingface · 23/03/2023 18:12

Check.

his.

hard drive.

What a bizarre comment.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/03/2023 19:06

Lockheart · 23/03/2023 19:02

It's an awful incident. I wouldn't usually advocate for this but in this instance I think the dog needs to be put down.

Personally I would like to see American bullies / XL American bullies banned as a breed in the UK. Not only because they are horrendously overbred and increasingly deformed, but also because there is a huge criminal underworld that goes along with the breeding of these dogs. A number are bred for fighting and they are dangerous due to their strength (other dogs are strong too, but without the over-breeding or use for fighting).

(There are lots of other breeds I'd like to see banned for health reasons, but they don't tend to have the dangerous / criminal elements!).

True.

Not to derail, but I've never met I pug I didn't feel sorry for.

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 23/03/2023 19:09

Nosleepforthismum · 23/03/2023 17:50

Honestly, I hate idiot owners that think it’s accepts to allow their dogs off lead when there are livestock or horses about. Even dogs that are genuinely friendly with humans and other dogs can lose their minds at a different animal they are not used to - especially if it runs. I used to walk in an area with lots of sheep roaming on the moors and the amount of twatty owners who let their dogs run out of control to chase and bite the sheep was disgusting. As a pp upthread has mentioned though, not a single bullbreed and entirely what looked like middle class families with their labs and poo crosses.

As always the fault lies entirely with the owners and yet it’s always the dog that ends up suffering.

That’s because these “bully” breeds aren’t being taken for walks in the countryside, they’re pounding the pavements where kids play or worse, cooped up in houses and never walked at all.