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DH thinks friend who has live in nanny is a 'joke'

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princemarry · 23/03/2023 06:59

I have a close friend who's recently had her second baby and hired a live in nanny/ au pair.

She found having just one child incredibly challenging and decided that this was the right thing for her family.

I think it's great and I'm happy for her.

My DH called her a joke.

I think that says a lot about him. Nothing good.

I think he thinks motherhood is completely killing you self for your family and he didn't feel my friend is doing that, so he thinks she's a joke.

Obviously it's not his place or anyone's to judge, but he did.

What does everyone else think ?

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Lemonandorange · 23/03/2023 10:18

I'd call it lazy. She only has two kids, one being a newborn and needs a live in nanny? If she needs that level of help I question why she thought having a 2nd was a good idea

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:19

For the posters who agree with the DH do you really believe that motherhood should be 'killing yourself for your family'? What do you think fatherhood is?

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:19

Tinypetunia · 23/03/2023 10:17

If your friend can afford a live in nanny then that's great. Your husband sounds envious that you can't afford one. Babies are hard work, and having help doesn't mean you are handing them over to someone else, it only means making life easier at a difficult time.

Who said we can't ? We absolutely can. It's not about that for him at all. He just thinks it's lazy not have a live in nanny and the mother should do the work herself.

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toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:20

@princemarry does she work, does she have a partner?

TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 23/03/2023 10:20

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:19

Who said we can't ? We absolutely can. It's not about that for him at all. He just thinks it's lazy not have a live in nanny and the mother should do the work herself.

Yet he doesn't think the father should do any of the work.

Lazy shit-for-brains.

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:21

Lemonandorange · 23/03/2023 10:18

I'd call it lazy. She only has two kids, one being a newborn and needs a live in nanny? If she needs that level of help I question why she thought having a 2nd was a good idea

She had a nanny with the first. I forgot to mention that in my OP. She had a nanny with the first baby.

So I think if you had a nanny from the start with your first, of course you'd want to have a nanny for the second too and to help. Her first nanny wasn't live in.

It's beside the point. My H judges her because she thinks mothers should do it all themselves and not have this kind of help.

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Goldbar · 23/03/2023 10:22

In days gone by mothers were just expected to suck it up and get on with it, however hard it was, however much they suffered. Was that good for their children? I doubt it. It’s no secret how depressed a lot of women were in the 1950s. My father and his siblings were raised by a severely depressed, exhausted and overstretched mother in the 1950s. He’s now 70 and the damage that upbringing did to him is still obvious.

If women now feel able to ask for help then I think it’s good for them and good for their children. It doesn’t benefit anyone for women to suffer. Apart from the patriarchy.

Yes. We shouldn't forget that children are at the heart of this.

I can do everything by myself 24/7 without a break. I am capable of it. Most women parents can. I can manage to cook all meals, do all the cleaning and laundry, do all the feeds, change all nappies, do all night wakings, sort out the school uniform, make all the packed lunches and snacks, get my DC up in the morning, get everyone breakfasted, dressed and out of the house, do the school run, do school pick-up and remember a snack, do all the extra-curricular activities and swimming lessons with the baby in tow, make the World Book Day costume or bake a cake for the bake sale at 5am in the morning, make the Easter Basket and remember donations for various things, organise doctors', dentists and opticians appointments, plus hospital appointments for our baby. Hell, I can even do the daily reading-book with my older one on the way to school while pushing the buggy one-handedly. I have learnt a thousand hacks which make it possible for me to manage everything more efficiently... run bath while oven is heating up, clean the kitchen while fish fingers are cooking, bribe oldest one with chocolate buttons to tidy up their toys and fetch pyjamas while I'm feeding the baby, clean the bathroom and fold the laundry while the older one is in the bath and baby is having nappy-free time.

But on the rare occasions that I have someone there to help, I can also be a person and be 'present' with my children, instead of robotically trying to work out how to surmount the next logistical challenge. I can play with DC1 while they're having their bath, instead of just listening in from the hall. I can read them a bedtime story and really listen to them talk about their day, instead of letting them watch stuff on my tablet because the baby's screaming again and needs my attention. I can get the paints out with them after school or take them to the playground and actually interact with them in a relaxed way. And I'm not an exhausted burnt-out shell at the end of the day.

I'm assuming that the people who hate women so much that they grudge them any help also hate their children.

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:23

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:20

@princemarry does she work, does she have a partner?

She works and she has a partner who also works a lot.

She had some time off for her first baby, but not a lot. She had the nanny from as soon as she got home from the hospital.

So fucking what. She loves her kids and does plenty with them.

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Doesthepopeshitinthewoods · 23/03/2023 10:24

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I was being polite and pretended I care what MNetters think. I don’t really.

I’m curious as to why one poster thinks outsourcing childcare/taking on help with a baby means women shouldn’t be allowed to have any more though? Bit of a moral grey area, that, I’d have thought.

Or why these posters think that having help with a baby is so wrong?

Like a poster said earlier, if a woman died in childbirth and the man was raising a toddler and newborn, he’d likely be praised for getting in help and cooed over by all. Probably by these posters too. Smacks a bit of internalised (not very) misogyny.

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:26

@Lemonandorange so do you still think she is lazy when she works, maybe she needs a nanny whilst she is working

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:26

Goldbar · 23/03/2023 10:22

In days gone by mothers were just expected to suck it up and get on with it, however hard it was, however much they suffered. Was that good for their children? I doubt it. It’s no secret how depressed a lot of women were in the 1950s. My father and his siblings were raised by a severely depressed, exhausted and overstretched mother in the 1950s. He’s now 70 and the damage that upbringing did to him is still obvious.

If women now feel able to ask for help then I think it’s good for them and good for their children. It doesn’t benefit anyone for women to suffer. Apart from the patriarchy.

Yes. We shouldn't forget that children are at the heart of this.

I can do everything by myself 24/7 without a break. I am capable of it. Most women parents can. I can manage to cook all meals, do all the cleaning and laundry, do all the feeds, change all nappies, do all night wakings, sort out the school uniform, make all the packed lunches and snacks, get my DC up in the morning, get everyone breakfasted, dressed and out of the house, do the school run, do school pick-up and remember a snack, do all the extra-curricular activities and swimming lessons with the baby in tow, make the World Book Day costume or bake a cake for the bake sale at 5am in the morning, make the Easter Basket and remember donations for various things, organise doctors', dentists and opticians appointments, plus hospital appointments for our baby. Hell, I can even do the daily reading-book with my older one on the way to school while pushing the buggy one-handedly. I have learnt a thousand hacks which make it possible for me to manage everything more efficiently... run bath while oven is heating up, clean the kitchen while fish fingers are cooking, bribe oldest one with chocolate buttons to tidy up their toys and fetch pyjamas while I'm feeding the baby, clean the bathroom and fold the laundry while the older one is in the bath and baby is having nappy-free time.

But on the rare occasions that I have someone there to help, I can also be a person and be 'present' with my children, instead of robotically trying to work out how to surmount the next logistical challenge. I can play with DC1 while they're having their bath, instead of just listening in from the hall. I can read them a bedtime story and really listen to them talk about their day, instead of letting them watch stuff on my tablet because the baby's screaming again and needs my attention. I can get the paints out with them after school or take them to the playground and actually interact with them in a relaxed way. And I'm not an exhausted burnt-out shell at the end of the day.

I'm assuming that the people who hate women so much that they grudge them any help also hate their children.

You put it very well. I often neglect both my kids to try and keep everything together in the house.

When I have an extra pair of hands from my mum for example, I actually spend more quality time with my kids too. We share tasks and it's much easier to not just stick them in front of the tablet while you cook dinner etc etc etc.

I think having an extra pair of hands around makes the world of difference, to the children especially.

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TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 23/03/2023 10:27

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:26

@Lemonandorange so do you still think she is lazy when she works, maybe she needs a nanny whilst she is working

Exactly the same amount of lazy as mothers who put their DC into nursery.

ie - not at all.

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:31

Does your DH disapprove of her working too @princemarry? Assume he doesn’t disapprove of her partner working

Doesthepopeshitinthewoods · 23/03/2023 10:31

A good question above, paraphrased. Why do people grudge women having help with their children?

Is it because they couldn’t afford it/didn’t have supportive family are so begrudge someone who can and do?

Is it because they found it very easy and had straightforward children and think people who don’t are just ‘not doing it right’?

Is it internalised misogyny that women are ‘born’ to do it and it’s ‘natural’ for them?

Perhaps it’s more emotional than that, and they desperately wanted kids, struggled to have them and so wanted to spend every second with them?

Who knows. I do wish women wouldn’t tear down other women, though. As this thread attests, the men are doing a fine job on their own, they don’t need women fighting with them, too.

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:31

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:31

Does your DH disapprove of her working too @princemarry? Assume he doesn’t disapprove of her partner working

He does not disapprove of her working.

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thecatsthecats · 23/03/2023 10:32

Nimbostratus100 · 23/03/2023 07:12

it is delegating motherhood to someone else

I have been a live in nanny myself, and always was well aware I was just rich people's way of not bothering with their own children.

I don't really understand the attitude we have of children are such a struggle and a hardship - they are wonderful and amazing, and if you have them you are very very lucky.

Might I suggest that if you've literally chosen to do it for a living, you might be a teensy weensy bit more into it than the average person?

Sarahcoggles · 23/03/2023 10:34

LuckySantangelo35 · 23/03/2023 08:58

@Sarahcoggles

yeah yeah whatever

Thank you for you insightful comment 😂

Doesthepopeshitinthewoods · 23/03/2023 10:36

Sarahcoggles · 23/03/2023 10:34

Thank you for you insightful comment 😂

Thanks for your judgement on other women. Truly. You’re really doing womankind a favour.

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:41

@princemarry so does he expect her to work and look after the children and that is what he means by motherhood is killing yourself for your family

Chilloutsnow · 23/03/2023 10:44

Personally I’m with your husband. She should have stopped having children after baby number one if she couldn’t cope. All she has done is used funds to delegate her parenting responsibilities. As has the father.

princemarry · 23/03/2023 10:45

toomuchlaundry · 23/03/2023 10:41

@princemarry so does he expect her to work and look after the children and that is what he means by motherhood is killing yourself for your family

I don't really know what he expects exactly. But he thinks having a live in nanny is overkill and means you're lazy. He doesn't really know my friend's work situation or how long she's off work etc. he assumes she's at least on Mat leave for some of them time she has the nanny.

This is funny but for what it's worth - I have a nanny starting when I go back to work to help me look after my baby. But she'll only be here for the hours I work and I don't have her while I'm on maternity leave.

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Chilloutsnow · 23/03/2023 10:47

@Sarahcoggles

Totally agree with you. Should have stopped at one. It’s a bit wet and pathetic all round really.

GoodChat · 23/03/2023 10:47

I have a nanny starting when I go back to work to help me look after my baby.

Just to help you look after the baby? Not him?