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FOJN · 23/03/2023 07:03

Cas112 · 22/03/2023 19:15

I agree with what your saying but he is in solitary confinement and not allowed to mix with the other inmates

And here's how that is working out for women in Limerick Prison.

'Last year on Paddy’s Podcast , O’Gorman interviewed Leanne Casey, a former prisoner in Limerick women’s prison. Her testimony is shocking. She recounts sharing a cellblock landing with male transwomen prisoners. At times, Ms Casey says, the women inmates ‘had to be locked back into [their] cell’, because the transgender inmates were ‘screaming’ abuse at the women prisoners. Even worse, the guards tended to take the side of the transgender prisoners in any disputes: ‘What they said went, and if any of the [female] prisoners disrespected them, we’d get punished.’

Full article here:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/22/barbie-kardashian-the-grisly-reality-of-self-id/

This man tore the eye lids off his social worker, what about the safety of the prison guards? Do they not matter?

He has been identified as a serious risk to women by nearly every professional who has been involved in his case and yet the politicians are still trying to fool you with it never happens. It does.

Women in Californian prisons are routinely being raped and getting pregnant by trans inmates but it's not reported in the MSM and people treat the absence of reporting as evidence that there is no problem with self ID.

Barbie Kardashian: the grisly reality of self-ID

In Ireland, even the most violent and unhinged sex offenders are being housed in women’s prisons.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/22/barbie-kardashian-the-grisly-reality-of-self-id

HermioneWeasley · 23/03/2023 07:08

carolexx · 23/03/2023 00:25

This is a truly awful situation. However I hate how these awful people that do things such as this end up creating a bad image for genuine transgender people, my children who have lgbtqia+ friends have expressed dislike similar to mine for creeps that claim to be trans like this person, it creates an unfair viewpoint in actual transgender people its awfulZ

How do you know who is genuinely transgender? What’s the test?

Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:09

That spiked article is terrifying @FOJN he tore off his social workers eyelids.. The basic matter is all these trans people want their rights but most biological women's rights are being done away with to pander to the trans.

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ssd · 23/03/2023 07:17

This has gone too far

FOJN · 23/03/2023 07:22

This is how gullible and woman hating our politicians are: when Ian Huntley had a brief spell of claiming to be a woman this libdem thought they should be housed in a women's prison.

Aibu to think this man should not be in a women's prison. Barbie Kardashian. Frightening future for Irish women.
Florissant · 23/03/2023 07:24

twitterexile · 22/03/2023 20:17

So why is he not in a male prison then?

Because BK's feelings are more important than women's safety.

mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 23/03/2023 07:25

This is awful. Similar situation in Scotland, enabled by Nicola sturgeon and the Scottish government. I cannot understand why anyone identifying as trans is deemed more important than biological females - trans rights seem to trump everything. That prisoner should be moved to a prison for biological males.

EarringsandLipstick · 23/03/2023 07:25

@Mommymoments

His views were silenced & ridiculed. C'mon Enoch. The resistence is happening.

Do NOT use Enoch Burke as some kind of supporter of GC thinking.

His approach to transgender issues is informed by his & his family's extreme right-wing conservative and fundamentalist religious beliefs. He and his siblings have behaved abhorrently on many issues, including nearly destroying several societies & initiates in University of Galway.

For sure, he took a particular stance on transgender issues but for all the wrong reasons and his behaviour was awful. And he provided another stick for people attacking those with GC beliefs to use against us.

FOJN · 23/03/2023 07:27

This is how things are working out in the US.

'In May, a trans inmate took a woman detainee into a portable toilet in the yard and raped her, while another kept lookout, she claims. The perpetrator then threatened to rape others.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11458335/Male-female-Trans-inmates-drive-rising-numbers-rapes-abuse-womens-prisons.html

EarringsandLipstick · 23/03/2023 07:28

Megjobethamy · 22/03/2023 22:57

I have not heard anything about this and I live in Munster.. absolutely horrific!

Seriously? It's been reported everywhere, for months - broadsheets, online, social media.

MarshaBradyo · 23/03/2023 07:32

twitterexile · 22/03/2023 18:42

This is where the mantra 'transwomen are women' gets us. All of the useful idiots chanting this mindless shit (many of them women and some of them on Mumsnet) are like turkeys voting for Christmas. Of course they never think that THEY may end up in prison or in a domestic violence shelter which may also house a violent woman hating male - that's for other women to deal with.

We SAID that this would happen and they called us nazis, bigots, TERFS and threatened to rape and kill us.

Where are the TWAW brigade now? Why are they not celebrating BK and claiming him as one of their own? Acceptance without exception right? You are what you say you are, no debate.

Sickening.

Usually it’s mocking and deriding women. That image is shocking enough to stop the most ardent TWAW from posting on the thread.

Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:33

@EarringsandLipstick the parents of the child in question have spoken out & were never aware of the child's pronoun use in school.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/parent-of-transgender-student-in-enoch-burke-row-expresses-safety-concern-for-their-family-42390736.html

The Burke's are standing up for their principals & are being ridiculed. What about Enoch's rights?
I don't give a hoot about pc any longer. I have three beautiful, kind, intelligent daughters & I'm not having their rights as women thrown away. I can be called Transphobic but I will shout womanphobic even louder at all the women haters.

Parent of transgender student in Enoch Burke row expresses safety concern for their family

A parent of the transgender student who Enoch Burke refused to call by a new name has said they were never told by Wilson’s Hospital School that their child was the one referred to in legal proceedings against the fired teacher.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/parent-of-transgender-student-in-enoch-burke-row-expresses-safety-concern-for-their-family-42390736.html

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Fairyliz · 23/03/2023 07:33

I couldn’t actually read all of that it was so disturbing. Please someone tell me I am having a nightmare, this can’t surely be true?

VestaTilley · 23/03/2023 07:34

YANBU. It’s a disgrace, as is Ireland’s self ID policy. I’ve known about this case for years, so I’ve no idea how Varadkar can claim he doesn’t.

Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:34

FOJN · 23/03/2023 07:22

This is how gullible and woman hating our politicians are: when Ian Huntley had a brief spell of claiming to be a woman this libdem thought they should be housed in a women's prison.

@FOJN that is just typical isn't it. These liberal & trans groups shout transphobic at the slightest questioning of their so called rights.

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LadyHaHaHeeHaw · 23/03/2023 07:36

Who are the 2% who think this is reasonable?
Fucking madness

VestaTilley · 23/03/2023 07:36

@Fairyliz there are about 30 trans identifying males in U.K. prisons. I’m not sure how many other than this man in Irish ones. It’s been happening for years - follow Keep Prisons Single Sex, Woman’s Place U.K. and Fair Play 4 Women on Twitter to find out more. We’ve been raging against this for years, only for the left to denounce us as bigots.

Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:37

EarringsandLipstick · 23/03/2023 07:28

Seriously? It's been reported everywhere, for months - broadsheets, online, social media.

@EarringsandLipstick to be fair RTÉ have not reported & still haven't reported. Yesterday they had an article about how hate crimes were up 29 % on minority groups. Again trying to play on public sympathy. Propoganfa.

RTÉ have no problem bashing Enoch Burke or the Catholic Church. But Barbie Kardashian is off limits.
It is state controlled censorship.

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FOJN · 23/03/2023 07:38

Usually it’s mocking and deriding women. That image is shocking enough to stop the most ardent TWAW from posting on the thread.

They'll be back on another day when it's a softer case with less shocking imagery and pretend this doesn't happen and we're all bigots.

I wonder exactly what it will take for them to admit that there a serious safeguarding issues with self ID.

EarringsandLipstick · 23/03/2023 07:39

@Mommymoments

You'd have to be nuts to believe that any of the Burke's take the actions they do for genuine, principled reasons.

Enoch Burke was not suspended and ultimately dismissed due to his beliefs on transgender issues. He harassed and intimidated his principal at a school event, blocked her when she tried to move away and interrupted on multiple times the normal school processes.

The other incidents with the Burke's are chaotic disruptive and damaging - I know personally one company affected by the actions of Ammi, and the individuals she targeted were deeply affected by what she did.

I'm as GC as they come but don't use Enoch as a poster boy.

Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:41

@FOJN I think what happened in Scotland will have to happen here. Irish women need to stand up & fight for our rights.
The government have stepped way too far over the line in their quest to be liberal or progressive.. The country is becoming downright dangerous.

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Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:42

EarringsandLipstick · 23/03/2023 07:39

@Mommymoments

You'd have to be nuts to believe that any of the Burke's take the actions they do for genuine, principled reasons.

Enoch Burke was not suspended and ultimately dismissed due to his beliefs on transgender issues. He harassed and intimidated his principal at a school event, blocked her when she tried to move away and interrupted on multiple times the normal school processes.

The other incidents with the Burke's are chaotic disruptive and damaging - I know personally one company affected by the actions of Ammi, and the individuals she targeted were deeply affected by what she did.

I'm as GC as they come but don't use Enoch as a poster boy.

Fair enough.

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nothingcomestonothing · 23/03/2023 07:42

The validation of this man’s gender identity is considered more important than the security of the women in Limerick’s prison estate. The reorganisation of the prison around flattering the identity of a dangerous man is a disgrace. It is state-endorsed misogyny.

This

EarringsandLipstick · 23/03/2023 07:43

to be fair RTÉ have not reported & still haven't reported

They've certainly covered it online.

The case was reported in every newspaper I came across & also online.

What is true is that early reports made no reference to 'Barbie' being male and therefore made almost no sense. The IT was particularly guilty of this - but they are shocking on trans issues, however Michael McDowell has written several thoughtful opinion pieces addressing pronoun use etc

Mommymoments · 23/03/2023 07:43

But he seems to be the only one speaking out here. The GAA policy on allowing trans men play on women's teams.

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