Aibu to think this man should not be in a women's prison. Barbie Kardashian. Frightening future for Irish women.

[Mommymoments]

https://gript.ie/barbie-kardashian-is-an-extremely-violent-biological-man-the-law-facilitating-him-must-be-changed

It is state controlled censorship

Don't be daft. You are undermining your valid point with this repeated nonsense.

The narrative around trans ideology is hugely problematic in Ireland and thankfully, matters are changing - there's excellent reporting in the Sunday Independent and some columnists in the Sunday Times. More and more opportunities for advocates like Stella O'Malley to speak out.

You need to reduce the hyperbole a bit.

The government have stepped way too far over the line in their quest to be liberal or progressive...

Whilst failing to recognise there is nothing liberal or progressive about gender ideology. It's supporters are intent on silencing dissent by any means possible. Little girls can't have short hair and little boys can no longer play with dolls without it meaning they are "born in the wrong body" and need to transition. What a world to raise children in.

I'm involved in GAA. There's a growing moment pushing back against this. A ref recently stopped a women's GAA game due to a biological male playing.

Im in agreement with you. Just don't bring that lunatic Burke near the argument. A supporter of women he is decidedly not

No, it went too far many years ago when legislators were persuaded that some people are born in the wrong body and that therefore we needed the Gender Recognition Act, which was passed in 2004. That was the first official step towards creating the woman-hating mess we have now. It overrode biology, and in overriding physical facts it created a situation in which feelings were more important than material reality. Which is why we need to start by abolishing it and reestablishing biological sex (indicated by chromosomes) as the unassailable marker of difference between female and male.

Sorry: I'm in England and forgot for a moment that we're talking about Ireland. But Ireland's trajectory has been along the same lines.

The GRA was essentially slipped into law without any debate or realisation for most people about what it meant (including me, at the time). It was conflated with the vote on gay marriage as if it was the same thing.

Unfortunately it was a done deal before the GC movement properly became active and we realised what was happening.

Where is RTÉs reporting on it plese. It is the national broadcaster after all. Every evening & online these is plenty regarding the Catholic Church & Enoch Burke. Where the fuck is Barbie Kardashian?

No, you're right. It's worse in Ireland, in fact.

@FOJN it's absolutely disgusting what is happening in Ireland. My girls are still young but friends with children in secondary say it's rife with pronouns & gender identifying. Teens are at their most self conscious & vulnerable. Hoping this prounon lark with be out of fashion & the world will have copped on before my three girls reach their teens.

He RIPPED a female social workers eyelids off!

I just heard this story last night, I was absolutely livid on behalf of the women in that prison. This MAN is dangerous and should NEVER have been placed in a female prison. Furious, women's rights are becoming more and more eroded by the day here.

The gra was such bad law. Its the crux of the matter in England and Wales, it must be repealed.

Every evening & online these is plenty regarding the Catholic Church & Enoch Burke. Where the fuck is Barbie Kardashian?

No there isn't. What was on the news last night about 'the Catholic church'? There are currently a number of shocking abuse scandals in private secondary schools under religious patronage - are these what you mean? I don't think you'd suggest that these should not be covered?

This is the latest reporting on 'Barbie' www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0322/1365692-prison-transgender/

I agree their level of debate on the matter is insufficient but that wouldn't take place on the news bulletins - it would in programming eg CB or similar.

We really need to move away from stereotypes and see everyone as an individual who has a sex. Their sex has no bearing on their personality or interests but is relevant for toilets, sports, Prisons etc. The gra specifically was to allow access to those spaces as far as I can see, that was the point.

@Mommymoments

I have teens (Dublin). You don't need to be as worried as you sound. Yes, there's an extent of trans ideology / pronouns BUT there's also a healthy questioning & rejection of it. My DD while not agreeing with me fully, is well aware of the issues of 'TWAW' & what being a woman means. Across both my older DC classes there's only 1 child identifying as trans, Ave it's very clear the poor child has MH issues.

I'm not saying it's not a problem as it is of course (and I work in a university, and seeing all sorts of challenges there) but in practical terms many schools deal with the situations in a practical and pragmatic way.

Gender identity is a new area that needs time to sort itself out so society understands it and manages it properly.

The right to decide what gender you are is pretty much accepted, so this person who says they are female needs to be treated as such.

They are a very dangerous risk to other females though so keeping them locked up and away from other prisoners is normal. Prisons do this with dangerous prisoners.

Whether this person is really a man in woman's clothing is yet to be determined - it's opinion. Certainly their language about raping a woman etc is not the typical language or thoughts of a woman. Everyone's entitled to an opinion but keep it to yourself, OK?

Everyone's entitled to an opinion but keep it to yourself, OK

Why? You have just shared your opinion? Why haven't you kept that to yourself?

Whether this person is really a man in woman's clothing is yet to be determined - it's opinion.

It's really, really not. He's a biological male in women's clothes, that is literally, factually what he is. Wear what you like, call yourself what you like, it doesn't change reality.

The right to decide what gender you are is pretty much accepted, so this person who says they are female needs to be treated as such

So why would that apply to being female, but not being blind, black, 6 years old or a cat?

Whether this person is really a man in woman's clothing is yet to be determined - it's opinion.

Crikey, it's like the enlightenment never happened. Being male or female is scientific fact, not 'opinion'.

And this new trend for biological illiteracy is neither funny nor clever

This is how I feel. The rush to say the right things and the stifling of sensible discussion have led us here.

We've allowed a bunch of zealots to dictate ill thought through policy and now the whole transgender community, of whom most are lovely and harmless, will suffer because of the reaction.

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We know lots of lovely young people who have taken this path. None of them are sex offenders and weirdos. I hate to think how much harder their lives will be now. I blame the stupid stonewall bullying for stifling debate.

Not to mention the constant shifting to the right because there are a silent majority who don't agree. This stuff scares them off voting for left wing parties and hey presto - a one party state in tatters.

Exactly. What does it even mean to identify as being a woman? Which one? There are 3.5 billion of us and the only thing that unites us as a sex class and differentiates us from the male sex class is our biology.

not the typical language or thoughts of a woman.
What are 'typical' language and thoughts of a women, please? 🤔

The right to decide what gender you are is pretty much accepted, so this person who says they are female needs to be treated as such.

You've conflated two separate issues. Gender is a social construct. However no-one can 'decide' to be female or male - that's their biological sex and is immutable.

Agreed again. To me, it's like saying the earth is flat or the sun goes around the earth or gravity is optional.

BK is an insane sociopath and women have been screaming about him being in a women’s prison for years.

it’s absolutely appalling and it’s very cynical of Ireland to only pay attention to this now

The problem is that they hope to deal with "exceptions", the ones who have proven to be dangerous, while still maintaining that most trans (but that could include every man who finds the loophole) are not rapists. How close are we to hearing "TWAnotW but men who also need protecting. Let's help TW without doing harm to others"?