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TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2023 20:07

It's a dreadful situation but not as bad as some are painting it - he's not mixing with female prisoners.

Thats not strictly true. He is, for at least 1 hour a day and according to some reports, more.

He also roars sexual abuse from his cell.

MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 20:08

thedogsmum · 24/03/2023 19:56

Barbie Kardasian should of course be in a male prison, to be honest I think he should be in a psychiatric institution as he is deeply damaged, but he is being held separately from the rest of the female prison population.

It's a dreadful situation but not as bad as some are painting it - he's not mixing with female prisoners.

He can be in a male prison and not mix

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 21:16

MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 20:08

He can be in a male prison and not mix

Exactly along with all the other males who also have their penises intact. Even if he was castrated he would still need to be in a male prison.
Having that yoke in a women's prison is making a mockery of women pure & simple.

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Pseudonamed · 24/03/2023 21:25

thedogsmum · 24/03/2023 19:56

Barbie Kardasian should of course be in a male prison, to be honest I think he should be in a psychiatric institution as he is deeply damaged, but he is being held separately from the rest of the female prison population.

It's a dreadful situation but not as bad as some are painting it - he's not mixing with female prisoners.

Not as bad? No you are right it is worse. A MAN is a WOMENS prison who is a threat to WOMEN. There is nothing as bad with this as that.

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 21:36

@Pseudonamed never a truer word spoken. The BK case is the pits.

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Pseudonamed · 24/03/2023 21:40

It is a fucking joke and makes a mockery of our judicial system AND womens rights. That fucker needs to be removed from there and thrown into prison where real men can show him exactly how it feels to be intimidated.

Self ID needs to be looked at with immediate effect.

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 21:46

@Pseudonamed absolutely it needs to be reversed ASAP.
Too many in govt have personal reasons for shutting us up & pushing up the trans propaganda
Mary Lou McDonald has a brother who is now transgender.
Mary Butler Junior Minister for mental health has a teenager who transitioned.
They need to leave there personal feelings aside & do the right thing.

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LangClegsInSpace · 24/03/2023 21:47

thedogsmum · 24/03/2023 19:56

Barbie Kardasian should of course be in a male prison, to be honest I think he should be in a psychiatric institution as he is deeply damaged, but he is being held separately from the rest of the female prison population.

It's a dreadful situation but not as bad as some are painting it - he's not mixing with female prisoners.

Yes it's a dreadful situation all round.

Women spend more time locked in their cells so the men can shower, exercise and socialise without physically endangering the women.

The men hurl obscene abuse at the women every time they have to walk by. The vast majority of the women will have already been victims of male violence so they are daily retraumatised.

If the women refer to one of the men as a man, or say 'he' then they are sanctioned. This is institutional gaslighting on an Orwellian scale.

There are several reports that the men and women are not always kept separate. My understanding is that in these situations the man is accompanied by two extra prison officers.

Limerick women's wing is very small, it holds 28 prisoners. Three of them are currently men, so that's about one man to every eight women. In a facility that is supposed to be single sex.

If it's anything like the UK, the women's prison estate will already be an afterthought because it's so tiny and the prisoners are more likely to harm themselves than each other or the guards. Think about all the extra resources that are required to keep women safe when men are housed in their prisons. Think about how much that costs and how much better it could be if that money was spent on the women.

And it's a dreadful situation for BK and the other two men. Women's prisons don't have different security categories because the women's estate is so small and vanishingly few female prisoners require high security, so all that can be provided for these men in a women's prison is solitary and/or occasional mixing with two extra guards (which raises all sorts of questions about the non-consensual use of women prisoners to validate the gender identity claims of the men).

Solitary sends people mad. Keeping already mad people like BK in solitary sends them even madder. There is a high security men's prison in Ireland which surely has the best resources and expertise in the country to look after extremely dangerous male prisoners like BK while protecting their human rights.

If there is a man in a women's prison for tax fraud who is quietly sitting in solitary causing no problem to the women then he also should not be there. Since when was it acceptable to keep non-violent offenders in long term segregation? The male estate has high, medium and low security facilities. If he's that harmless then a low security facility in the male estate would be far more suitable regardless of his gender identity.

It seems to me that a fuckton of resources are being thrown at keeping men in women's prisons which harms everyone's article 3 rights, just so the computer says yes, you are a woman. The whole thing is obscene.

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Pseudonamed · 24/03/2023 21:54

@LangClegsInSpace scary statistics.

LangClegsInSpace · 24/03/2023 22:36

We are free here to call Barbie Kardashian a man.

The women who are incarcertated with him do not have that freedom.

334bu · 24/03/2023 22:56

Thank you for that information LangClegsInSpace, it truly is an appalling situation.

Mommymoments · 24/03/2023 22:58

LangClegsInSpace · 24/03/2023 22:36

We are free here to call Barbie Kardashian a man.

The women who are incarcertated with him do not have that freedom.

@LangClegsInSpace & call him a man we will. A vile, disgusting, woman hating man at that.

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twitterexile · 25/03/2023 08:41

Pseudonamed · 24/03/2023 21:25

Not as bad? No you are right it is worse. A MAN is a WOMENS prison who is a threat to WOMEN. There is nothing as bad with this as that.

100% this. Why some people feel the need to minimise and excuse this state act of gross misogyny I have no idea. I fear for the lives of the any woman who may have to come in to contact with him. I fear that serious harm may happen and it will be hushed up. It is the worst possible situation.

Mommymoments · 25/03/2023 09:12

@twitterexile wtf will happen on his release.. Scary to comprehend but the law is in his favour as we are seeing currently.

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Pseudonamed · 25/03/2023 09:52

If he is in almost solitary confinement will he be getting any psychological help? Any rehabilitation although i think in his case he is too far gone and the next 3 years is not half enough time. It is scary to think having been in there for so long and frustrations building that he will be let out in a couple of years.

MassiveWordSalad · 26/03/2023 16:05

Whilst I have far, far more sympathy for the women attacked, threatened and housed with BK, let's not forget that he has been badly failed, too. The reports of his upbringing are horrendous and he himself was the product of abuse and neglect by his parents - it seems he learned his hatred of women from his father. It sounds like he has been passed around like a hot potato, finally landing in a women's prison, of all places. It seems blindingly obvious that he is an extremely damaged and dangerous man who needs very secure psychiatric care, possibly for the rest of his life. The fact that the politicians involved in this are willing to pander to trans ideology, even from such a disturbed person as this, says how little they regard the safety of women.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/03/2023 21:41

MassiveWordSalad · 26/03/2023 16:05

Whilst I have far, far more sympathy for the women attacked, threatened and housed with BK, let's not forget that he has been badly failed, too. The reports of his upbringing are horrendous and he himself was the product of abuse and neglect by his parents - it seems he learned his hatred of women from his father. It sounds like he has been passed around like a hot potato, finally landing in a women's prison, of all places. It seems blindingly obvious that he is an extremely damaged and dangerous man who needs very secure psychiatric care, possibly for the rest of his life. The fact that the politicians involved in this are willing to pander to trans ideology, even from such a disturbed person as this, says how little they regard the safety of women.

Absolutely. He should be in a secure unit, not a prison, and should probably never be released. But I don't know how these things get decided - presumably his crimes are (so far) not serious enough.

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Mommymoments · 29/03/2023 15:38

And a trans activist in Ireland called Panti Bliss has called for this women's rights activist who was attacked in NZ to be treated the same in Dublin.. Women are being completely oppressed in Ireland.

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