Aibu to think this man should not be in a women's prison. Barbie Kardashian. Frightening future for Irish women.

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https://gript.ie/barbie-kardashian-is-an-extremely-violent-biological-man-the-law-facilitating-him-must-be-changed

It's interesting to see this all come out now.

One of my best friends has acquaintances with kids at Multyfarnham and they were all puzzled apparently, because there didn't seem to be any child who identified as trans in the school. I thought that was odd, but I'm clearly not close to it, so put it out of my mind. Now we know that the child and their family weren't aware of their role in all this.

Could be completely off the mark but sounds like Enoch got instructions from the school heads to refer to this child by pronouns, parents completely unaware, Enoch refuses (maybe he requested to see parental instruction..) who knows but the child is the victim in all this.

Enoch didn’t even teach the student involved. There was a memo sent out asking teachers to refer to this student as ‘they or them’. Enoch took issue and physically assaulted the principal, who happens to be a woman. He harassed her, culminating in an assault. If you haven’t heard Enoch’s version of this, it appears to be that he’s objecting to transgenderism on religious grounds. The reality is, he is a bully and a thug.

Barbie Kardashian’s barrister asked the court to consider future release and what that should look like. While a prison sentence was handed down, the courts have requested that the prison services and mental health services immediately look into arrangements, including future planning.

Politicians aren’t going to stick their necks out. They obviously know that the long term solution isn’t Limerick Prison or release. I saw numerous and complex psychiatric issues, including personality disorders (plural) being factors to consider.

I am far from an apologist for Barbie Kardashian or the erosion of women’s rights, but let’s not pretend that the Burke family are anything but rabid bigots or that politicians are saying things from personal belief.

There was a memo sent out asking teachers to refer to this student as ‘they or them’.

Which was not requested by the family, we now know. It was an interjection by the staff at the school.

Enoch took issue and physically assaulted the principal, who happens to be a woman.

Quite a lot went down in the meantime, in fairness. Plus we have reason to doubt the principal's representation of the wider saga.

I'm not condoning his behaviour, he's clearly highly objectionable and violence is never acceptable, but still we need to understand exactly why the principal lied about the parents requesting the They/Them pronouns and why she lied about who was at the meeting with the parents (she said the head and deputy were, the parents say neither were present.)

Legally this will run and run.

Politicians aren’t going to stick their necks out. They obviously know that the long term solution isn’t Limerick Prison or release.

And what about the other two men incarcerated there?

Agree with this wholeheartedly. The parents didn't even know that it was their child at the heart of the scandal. The school very much to blame here & well done to the parents of the child for speaking out.

WTF is female gender?

The start of BK's five and half sentence was back dated to May last year so he will be released by October 2026 and he now has a GRC so will be able to access all female spaces. That's not frightening at all.

So he's been in Limerick women's prison for nearly a year. Why has this only blown up now?

They let Ben Scallon into a press conference, which was an unfortunate oversight.

Partly because it's not reported on, or if it is it's usually referring to him as a woman. Also, because too many people who can do something don't really care, or aren't bothered enough. They see him as the real victim whose identity needs to be upheld at all costs. Also, it shows up the fault lines in Self ID law, so of course the government just want it to quietly go away.

Also, apparently TUSLA warned media outlets not to discuss the case a few years ago (as I believe he was a minor when first arrested or something, not sure but possibly they would have been involved in his case somehow). But it's still unnerving to think that a government agency was warning media outlets not to report this.

They let Ben Scallon into a press conference, which was an unfortunate oversight.

😂

More Ben please

@TheKeatingFive he'll be told only invited journos allowed next time 🤣

The famous photo of BK was leaked by someone within the prison. Interesting, because that makes it clear what we're dealing with.

though that's been around for a good while now, it's not new news.

Barbie Kardashian’s barrister asked the court to consider future release and what that should look like. While a prison sentence was handed down, the courts have requested that the prison services and mental health services immediately look into arrangements, including future planning.

Politicians aren’t going to stick their necks out. They obviously know that the long term solution isn’t Limerick Prison or release. I saw numerous and complex psychiatric issues, including personality disorders (plural) being factors to consider.

@MurkyGloom is BK a man or a woman?

If BK is released into psychiatric care should that be to a male or female ward?

What should be done about the other two violent males in Limerick women's prison?

If you can't understand why this has not received press coverage earlier it's because there was a period of time where there was a media black out on the case in Ireland and because minimising press coverage is part of the strategy for getting self ID laws passed by stealth.

Here is a quote from an article in the law gazette:

"Campaigns to change the law to allow children to change their legal gender should 'avoid excessive press coverage and exposure' according to an international survey singling out the UK for criticism."

Here is the full article, it's short but contained within it is some of the highlights from the infamous Dentons Report.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/campaigners-for-gender-recognition-law-should-avoid-media/5102234.article

Here is a link to the full Denton's Report. Although it talks about trans youth the tactics it describes have been deployed to push through adult self ID laws. You need to click "download full report".

https://www.iglyo.com/only-adults/

Here's what Denton says about Ireland, page 55.

The most important lesson from the Irish experience is arguably that trans advocates can possibly be much more strategic by trying to pass legislation “under the radar” by latching trans rights legislation onto more popular legal reforms (e.g. marriage equality), rather taking more combative, public facing, approaches. Another lesson is that compromise is a double-edged sword. Compromise on legal gender recognition for young trans persons was critical to getting the legislation passed in Ireland, but it might take years to revise the legislation to render it more favourable to trans youth.

Never doubt they are playing the long game.

So it's basically censorship.

Partly but no it's actually worse than that.

And it's a win win for the government as they think they are global trailblazers for lgbtq.. (and Leo & Enoch's cronies are kept happy 🙄)

For all they bang on about human rights they have a very poor grasp of them.

Solitary is awful. It sends people mad. It's a recognised form of torture and should never be used unless absolutely necessary and only for the minimum amount of time necessary.

BK is extremely dangerous and disturbed and perhaps would still need to be kept segregated for much of the time in a male prison, but perhaps not so much. Male prisons are far more equipped to deal with violent offenders than women's prisons are.

They seem to disregard all the real human rights and replace them with the pseudo-right to be recognised as something you are not.

The latest stats for England and Wales show 187 male prisoners with a trans identity. 181 of these are in the male estate and 6 are in the female estate.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1119803/HMPPS_Offender_Equalities_2021-22_Report.pdf

If they can house 97% of them in the male estate then why can't they house them all there?

NOTE: The above stats do not include prisoners with a GRC,of which there are 11 altogether. No data is provided on their sex or where they are housed.

Enoch* and Barbie are just two cheeks of the same toxic, woman-loathing arse. I disapprove of both of them. Condemning Barbie doesn't make me a right-wing nutter and condemning Enoch doesn't mean I think TWAW. I'm on the side of women here, not violent, self-serving men.

*Enoch, ffs! Who looks at a lovely little baby and says, let's call him Enoch? No wonder he grew up to be an objectionable fundie woman-basher

@PonyPatter44 the same type of parents that would look their newborn child & refer to the little bundle as them/they.. Looking at you Paul Murphy TD jumping on the bandwagon..

No different to referring to your child as 'it'. Absolutely ridiculous.

@Pseudonamed the tide is slowly starting to turn, I think he will regret this very soon.
Poor little Juniper (sounds like a girls name to me not unisex as he's saying it is) has to live with this for the rest of it's lifetime.. What a welcome to the world..

https://news.sky.com/story/world-athletics-to-exclude-transgender-women-from-female-events-12840265

This is a start. GAA take note.

Enoch Burke and Barbie Kardashian are both vile, violent men. They come from different ideologies, but they’re both absolutely toxic men.