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So upset, not sure what to do

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Moonstarssunsky · 20/03/2023 17:04

Posting here for traffic.
I'm not sure what to do over a stray cat I've been feeding etc.

I had my own cat until a few months ago when she sadly passed away. Before she passed however, a stray cat started to visit our garden and play with my cat.

The stray cat 'Tom' was so thin that we'd feed him everyday and provided shelter outside for him. We couldn't get close enough to get him into a cat carrier to take him to the vets.
After our Molly died, Tom became more confident with us and started to come into the house and stay overnight.

He put on weight and started to look healthy again. It was still difficult though trying to entice him into a cat carrier in order to check if he was chipped after all. He.was'nt neutered though, hence why we presumed he wasn't chipped either.
I recently borrowed a different kind of carrier to the one we already had, in the hope that it'd be easier to get Tom into it. Just to say, he's not the type of cat you can pick up easily.

Fast forward to yesterday, I was looking out the window and saw a young man walking past my house carrying Tom tightly in his arms. I ran out to speak to the man and saw that Tom was struggling to get free and was very distressed.
The man claimed that Tom was his cat and that he was taking him home as he hadn't seen him for some time.

I explained that we'd been caring for Tom and were gaining his confidence in us and that we'd love to keep him and get him checked and neutered at the vets.

The man was adamant however that Tom was his family pet, but admitted that he'd not been chipped. He said that his family were going to chip the cat immediately, and added that he'd make Tom into an indoor cat just so that he doesn't try to come back to me and my family.
The man let slip his house number (which was much further down the road) and hurried off with the cat still distressed.

I'm angry at myself for not trying to get Tom out of his arms, but I was concerned about repercussions if I did so. I'm also angry with myself for not ensuring we'd taken Tom to the vets sooner. I've no excuses for that, other than I was trying to gain his trust and needed the right carrier along with help from someone else to force him into the carrier if necessary.
A while after Tom was taken, my Dd and I visited the house where he's at and were told basically to go away (not very politely) once again, and that they'd be keeping the cat inside from now on.

I don't know what to do now. I'd love to offer money for Tom but I don't know whether to leave it for a while, as i.dont want to push things with this family.

They also have a few other cats (according to the going man) and so now I'm so upset that Tom is living with other pets and isn't happy there. If he was he wouldn't have left.
Sorry for rambling.

OP posts:
Moonstarssunsky · 21/03/2023 23:33

Notafanofheat · 21/03/2023 19:22

Our indoor cat has gone missing 2 weeks ago…without a trace, somehow she got out…she is loved here, has a family that loves her, but panics outside so wouldn’t be able to find her way back (and why she’s not allowed out without someone in the first place, while her older cat sister is) We miss her terribly and want her back. Even more so we want to know what happened to her, as not knowing is as horrible as people say. But above all we hope some kind person seen her scared and lost and is looking out for her - feeding her and offering a safe, warm home. We’re about to put up a new post on local fb saying that we are honestly grateful if someone has been taking care of her, we’d still love to know and hand on heart if we come to see her and she’s happy, cared for and wants to stay- that would be ok (though we’d love to visit). She’s a cherished family member not a piece of property.
I don’t think you did wrong OP looking out for the cat. Cats often don’t appreciate being carried but it might also not appreciate living with a lot of other cats (could be not eating due to stress - not all cats love company). It’s a hard situation.

I'm so sorry about your cat, hopefully she will come home to you soon, just think positively as so many cats do come back.

You're also obviously a very caring pet owner because your showing that your cats feelings come first and that you just want her to be happy.

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Notafanofheat · 21/03/2023 23:37

Moonstarssunsky · 21/03/2023 23:33

I'm so sorry about your cat, hopefully she will come home to you soon, just think positively as so many cats do come back.

You're also obviously a very caring pet owner because your showing that your cats feelings come first and that you just want her to be happy.

We’re still hoping she comes back too and posted today on local pages again and people are being very encouraging and supportive.
Thank you for your kind words - it would be hard if she chose a different family, but I just want her alive and safe and loved.

Moonstarssunsky · 21/03/2023 23:55

Novatherova · 21/03/2023 19:46

Blimey there are some vile people on this thread.

What you did is lovely OP. I'd have done the very same thing. No way could I leave a cat outside in my garden distressed and hungry.

My cat is an indoor one, never been out except on a lead. If somehow she escaped and when I eventually found her, I found someone had been feeding and looking after her, I'd be buying that person a massive bunch of flowers, wine and chocolates. I'd even give them a kidney!

No way would I be annoyed and be nasty to you. Also I agree it's cruel to keep a cat indoor after it's been free.

I'm probably going to be called out on this but I'd knock at the house again. Just to check up on Tom. See how that conversation goes. My DP would tell me to leave it alone but I couldn't give up, not until certain he was OK.

Keep us updated and don't stop being kind. The world needs more of it as it is evidenced by the weirdos in this post.

Thank you, I should've expected some very different responses on aibu I guess, but some have been quite offensive.

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Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 00:06

Notafanofheat · 21/03/2023 23:37

We’re still hoping she comes back too and posted today on local pages again and people are being very encouraging and supportive.
Thank you for your kind words - it would be hard if she chose a different family, but I just want her alive and safe and loved.

I don't think she'd choose a different family as she'll know you love her and look after her well.
Cats are much more resourceful than we give them credit for, and they will find food and shelter until they get back home, so I know it's a real worry when they go missing, but there's often a happy ending.
I really hope she's back to you soon.

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Martha645 · 22/03/2023 01:28

Some very nasty posters here. Of course you weren't stealing the cat.
We once had a cat who made friends with the cat next door. They spent a lot of time together and visited each other's houses. Eventually our cat moved next door and didn't come back home although we did see the two of them out and about. We missed her of course but that was what she wanted and the two cats had a happy life together.
I am so sorry for you - you were only doing what you thought was best for the cat. Thank you for that.

lilyak · 22/03/2023 02:03

You don't seem to understand. It was good of you to feed the cat. You were looking out for what you thought was a stray. But once you knew the cat had an owner, you should have backed off.

Thinking you should have snatched the cat away, out from the owners arms, is not normal.

Going to visit them and ask about the cat is not normal.

The cat is not yours. The cat is theirs. The mere fact that this man was able to pick the cat up, and you were NOT able to pick this cat up, even though you'd been feeding it, clearly says the cat belongs to this man. If the cat didn't want to be picked up, the man would not have been able to pick him up. The cat allowed himself to be picked up and taken home by this man. The cat never allowed you close enough. The cat has spoken, but you won't listen.

You've gotten attached and you're trying to find ways to justify your behaviour. You don't seem to understand where the line is, and that you stepped way over it.

custardbear · 22/03/2023 02:27

My male cat looks skinny but vet says she would like him to not put anymore weight on. Sone cats look thinner. Also if unneutered he probably roams too

Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 04:42

Martha645 · 22/03/2023 01:28

Some very nasty posters here. Of course you weren't stealing the cat.
We once had a cat who made friends with the cat next door. They spent a lot of time together and visited each other's houses. Eventually our cat moved next door and didn't come back home although we did see the two of them out and about. We missed her of course but that was what she wanted and the two cats had a happy life together.
I am so sorry for you - you were only doing what you thought was best for the cat. Thank you for that.

Thank you, people like yourself who can see I had good intentions have helped.

And you're also clearly a kind hearted person for putting your cat first.
So many posters obviously view cats as possessions and have no regard for the cats wishes.

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Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 05:28

lilyak · 22/03/2023 02:03

You don't seem to understand. It was good of you to feed the cat. You were looking out for what you thought was a stray. But once you knew the cat had an owner, you should have backed off.

Thinking you should have snatched the cat away, out from the owners arms, is not normal.

Going to visit them and ask about the cat is not normal.

The cat is not yours. The cat is theirs. The mere fact that this man was able to pick the cat up, and you were NOT able to pick this cat up, even though you'd been feeding it, clearly says the cat belongs to this man. If the cat didn't want to be picked up, the man would not have been able to pick him up. The cat allowed himself to be picked up and taken home by this man. The cat never allowed you close enough. The cat has spoken, but you won't listen.

You've gotten attached and you're trying to find ways to justify your behaviour. You don't seem to understand where the line is, and that you stepped way over it.

But I have 'backed off' .... I had no idea who the man was, just because the cat was in his arms didn't at first make me comfortable that Tom must've known him.

With regards to not getting close to Tom initially, I'm quite wary of cats behaviour because my Dad was once bitten on the hand by a cat, this led to sepsis and caused some sort of kidney damage.

Therefore, I wanted to take it gently with Tom and gain his trust. I've already stated this. I've already stated that Tom became more comfortable with me and started to stay over.
We'd swapped the cat case I already had for one that might be easier to get him inside.
He's not daft though and no amount of dreamies were going to coax him into one.

We were going to have to force him though obviously, and I'd arranged for help to do this by others, when they were off work.
Unfortunately the man saw Tom in the street obviously and picked him up.

That doesn't mean that Tom was more comfortable with this man than he'd gotten with me. The man was clearly confident in grabbing him. I wasn'. I do feel better in one respect now assuming that Tom can't have been frightened of him or he wouldn't have got close to him enough to grab him.

I guess I went to the house because I wanted to see where Tom had gone. I was civil there. I can't believe some posters are saying it's 'not normal' to go and speak to them.
I'd bet you'd have a different attitude if you'd been caring for a cat, thought he was a stray then someone was carrying him away. .... I'm sure none of you would just stand there and go "oh ok just take him'
I wanted to speak to the young man's family mainly, as he was young, and I wanted to see if I could discuss what was in the best interests of the cat.

Quite a few of you don't seem to have ANY regard for the wants of the cat. Your attitude is basically 'fuck off OP, let this man take the cat without any discussion'.

In my view, I wouldn't have been 'normsl' NOT TO CHECK that the cat was ok.

Back to being able to get a cat in a carrier, another poster has written that she and her husband have had great difficulty in getting their cat into one.
Does that mean that the cat isn't really comfortable with his family?

Of course it doesn't! Some cats can be quite aggressive, and I've already said I'm nervous of being bitten by one, hence why I knew I needed help trying to get him into one.

As for you saying 'the cat has spoken', but you won't listen'

Yes the cat HAS spoken. He spoke some time back when he decided he wanted to be with us. He was in walking distance of the other families house, and if he was happiest there he wouldn't have come to me.

I'm bewildered that lots of you can't grasp this.
As I've already said though, thankfully lots of you can feel for the cat and would rather do right by it than see it as some sort of posession without any feelings of its own.

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Mortimercat · 22/03/2023 05:39

Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 05:28

But I have 'backed off' .... I had no idea who the man was, just because the cat was in his arms didn't at first make me comfortable that Tom must've known him.

With regards to not getting close to Tom initially, I'm quite wary of cats behaviour because my Dad was once bitten on the hand by a cat, this led to sepsis and caused some sort of kidney damage.

Therefore, I wanted to take it gently with Tom and gain his trust. I've already stated this. I've already stated that Tom became more comfortable with me and started to stay over.
We'd swapped the cat case I already had for one that might be easier to get him inside.
He's not daft though and no amount of dreamies were going to coax him into one.

We were going to have to force him though obviously, and I'd arranged for help to do this by others, when they were off work.
Unfortunately the man saw Tom in the street obviously and picked him up.

That doesn't mean that Tom was more comfortable with this man than he'd gotten with me. The man was clearly confident in grabbing him. I wasn'. I do feel better in one respect now assuming that Tom can't have been frightened of him or he wouldn't have got close to him enough to grab him.

I guess I went to the house because I wanted to see where Tom had gone. I was civil there. I can't believe some posters are saying it's 'not normal' to go and speak to them.
I'd bet you'd have a different attitude if you'd been caring for a cat, thought he was a stray then someone was carrying him away. .... I'm sure none of you would just stand there and go "oh ok just take him'
I wanted to speak to the young man's family mainly, as he was young, and I wanted to see if I could discuss what was in the best interests of the cat.

Quite a few of you don't seem to have ANY regard for the wants of the cat. Your attitude is basically 'fuck off OP, let this man take the cat without any discussion'.

In my view, I wouldn't have been 'normsl' NOT TO CHECK that the cat was ok.

Back to being able to get a cat in a carrier, another poster has written that she and her husband have had great difficulty in getting their cat into one.
Does that mean that the cat isn't really comfortable with his family?

Of course it doesn't! Some cats can be quite aggressive, and I've already said I'm nervous of being bitten by one, hence why I knew I needed help trying to get him into one.

As for you saying 'the cat has spoken', but you won't listen'

Yes the cat HAS spoken. He spoke some time back when he decided he wanted to be with us. He was in walking distance of the other families house, and if he was happiest there he wouldn't have come to me.

I'm bewildered that lots of you can't grasp this.
As I've already said though, thankfully lots of you can feel for the cat and would rather do right by it than see it as some sort of posession without any feelings of its own.

People have called you unhinged because you just won’t let this go. I don’t think there was anything wrong with you feeding this cat at first, but the cat does belong to someone else. Nobody would just pick up a random moggy and insist they were the owner if they were not. Forget about this cat, he is with his owner now.

I am a life long cat owner, I currently have a 13 year old boy and if I picked him up and tried to carry him somewhere he wouldn’t be too happy about it either because he doesn’t like being picked up and carried.

Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 05:43

Mortimercat · 22/03/2023 05:39

People have called you unhinged because you just won’t let this go. I don’t think there was anything wrong with you feeding this cat at first, but the cat does belong to someone else. Nobody would just pick up a random moggy and insist they were the owner if they were not. Forget about this cat, he is with his owner now.

I am a life long cat owner, I currently have a 13 year old boy and if I picked him up and tried to carry him somewhere he wouldn’t be too happy about it either because he doesn’t like being picked up and carried.

What do you mean I just 'won't let this go'?
Because I started a thread asking for advice?

I'm bound to be sad about the cat, but I'm not obsessing over the situation. I've not gone near the house since.
So tell me, what won't I 'let go'?

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Mortimercat · 22/03/2023 06:24

Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 05:43

What do you mean I just 'won't let this go'?
Because I started a thread asking for advice?

I'm bound to be sad about the cat, but I'm not obsessing over the situation. I've not gone near the house since.
So tell me, what won't I 'let go'?

Is that a real question? The thing you are not letting go is obviously the cat situation. Confused

Twdfn123 · 22/03/2023 06:28

This thread is redundant, OP has got her responses but still insists on arguing with everybody who says this situation is not normal. Everyone has their own opinion, deal with it. Deal with how this has played out and move on. This is just desperate and silly.

Twdfn123 · 22/03/2023 06:29

lilyak · 22/03/2023 02:03

You don't seem to understand. It was good of you to feed the cat. You were looking out for what you thought was a stray. But once you knew the cat had an owner, you should have backed off.

Thinking you should have snatched the cat away, out from the owners arms, is not normal.

Going to visit them and ask about the cat is not normal.

The cat is not yours. The cat is theirs. The mere fact that this man was able to pick the cat up, and you were NOT able to pick this cat up, even though you'd been feeding it, clearly says the cat belongs to this man. If the cat didn't want to be picked up, the man would not have been able to pick him up. The cat allowed himself to be picked up and taken home by this man. The cat never allowed you close enough. The cat has spoken, but you won't listen.

You've gotten attached and you're trying to find ways to justify your behaviour. You don't seem to understand where the line is, and that you stepped way over it.

100% this ^

Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 06:41

Mortimercat · 22/03/2023 06:24

Is that a real question? The thing you are not letting go is obviously the cat situation. Confused

I lost him only the other day, I didn't know he was owned. Apologies for still feeling sad about that. 🙄

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Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 06:48

Twdfn123 · 22/03/2023 06:28

This thread is redundant, OP has got her responses but still insists on arguing with everybody who says this situation is not normal. Everyone has their own opinion, deal with it. Deal with how this has played out and move on. This is just desperate and silly.

Since when were you Judge and Jury as to when a thread is 'redundant', as you put it?
If I want to post a thread I will. If you consider it 'silly and desperate' of me to reply to people then why are you on here?
No one is forcing you to read the thread are they?
So please, feel free to move on yourself.

If you can't leave this thread, is it because you just love being nasty to posters because it's an anonymous forum?

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D0t · 22/03/2023 07:00

This is non of your business. It’s not your cat. You’ve been feeding him when you shouldn’t have been, luring him away from his real home. Stealing their pet. What you’ve done is very unkind to the man and his family.

the cat could be slim for a number of reasons and he may just be acclimatising to household changes, which might take a couple of months without interference.

we had something similar many moons ago, a new baby and some neighbour started feeding our pet cat who got unhealthily fat and immobile. We put a collar on our cat requesting people stop feeding him and they did. He died last year aged 15 having been almost a sibling to my child. We really miss him

lilyak · 22/03/2023 07:03

You absolutely refuse to see the situation from any other side but your own. And your belief that this cat needs rescuing. I am NOT attacking you, but I believe you need to ask yourself a few questions.

Why are you fixating on this cat? Why don't you get youreslf another cat, you clearly have a lot of love to give. There are many other cats who need a wonderful home, you could give a cat that. Why this cat? Why can't you move on, and find yourself your own cat?

As others have stated, you don't know that cat was mistreated. Lots of cats look skinny, or are temporarily skinny because they are unwell.

You have overwhelmng evidence that most people think what you did/are doing/ is wrong. Your posts says you don't know what to do. Nothing. YOu do nothing. There is no problem, other than what's in your mind. Leave it be. The cat is fine. If he wanted to come to you, he would.

He did NOT choose you. He came to VISIT. There was food. Of couse a cat will come and keep coming if you leave food out.

"After our Molly died, Tom became more confident with us and started to come into the house and stay overnight."

You coaxed him into your house with food. And yet, he still never let you get close to him, pet him, hold him.

If he wanted to let you near, he would have. He did not. I'm sorry, but he wanted the food, and a nice, warm place. Probably glad to be on his own for a bit.

Consider this, if you'd left well enough alone, he could still be visting. This cat is filling a need for you, and you filled a need for him. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why, when he'd put on weight and was healthy, did you want to take him to the vet? To check for a chip? Just curious. Did you make any effort to find his home? Put signs up? put a 'found cat' ad on socials?

"The man claimed that Tom was his cat and that he was taking him home as he hadn't seen him for some time."

The man told you that Tom was his cat, but you didn't want to believe that. Again, no way could this man have caught a cat you've been feeding for a very long time, and you can't catch. Seriously. This is so very obvious, but I understand its hard for you to accept. I'm in no way being nasty, or sarcastic. You just need to see the reality here. You can't even pet this cat. Yet you believe he's better off with you.

"but admitted that he'd not been chipped."

Most cats aren't chipped for goodness sake. It doesn't mean he doesn't love his cat. It doesn't mean the cat isn't his.

"He said that his family were going to chip the cat immediately, and added that he'd make Tom into an indoor cat just so that he doesn't try to come back to me and my family."

Sounds like he was letting you know clearly that you're out of line. Think about it: Tom is now restrained to the house, an indoor cat, becuase YOU tried to keep him. If you'd just let things be, then Tom could still be visiting. But you had to interfere and try to claim him as yours. The owner is afraid you'll take him and now the cat is not allowed out. That's on you. You should have let him take his cat home and been happy for visits.

There's a cat in our neighbourhood now who regularly visits several houses. His name is Jumbo and the owner is quite happy becuse we all just give him a little tidbit, some treats, a meal maybe, and some love (cuddles, pets, play) and then let him go on his way. He's the coolest cat, everyone loves him. Love is not ownership.

"I'm angry at myself for not trying to get Tom out of his arms, but I was concerned about repercussions if I did so."

GOOD! This would have been a completley unreasonable thing to do! Can you not see that? Grabbing the poor cat like that? What then? Lock him in your house forever so he can't go home? He doesn't need rescuing and he is not an object.

"I'm also angry with myself for not ensuring we'd taken Tom to the vets sooner. I've no excuses for that, other than I was trying to gain his trust and needed the right carrier along with help from someone else to force him into the carrier if necessary."

Why on earth should you have taken Tom to the vet? You said he gained weight and looked healthy. He was doing fine. He had a nice thing going, a good home and a nice place to visit. This, again, was not about Tom;s welfare, you thought if he was not chipped that you were justified in claiming him. Being chipped or not chipped makes no difference. He has a home. The whole post reads like are you trying to claim someone else's cat. And what would have happened if he was chipped to you, but chose to go home? A chip is not ownship and why are you fixated with ownership and posession? The cat was well. Did not need vet treatment. You lost Molly, you were in terrible grief. I feel great empathy for you, and that grief. But you must not continue trying to get this cat.

Now, stop and think. Imagine if your Molly was chipped by someone else. Seriously, stop and think about that. How would you feel? How would you feel abuot someone who fed her a bit, and then took her to the vets and had her chipped? You even state you needed someone to force him into the carrier, you were willling to do that. He was no longer thin, he was not injured. Why? And why coudn't you have just let well enough alone? You'd still have him visiting then.

"A while after Tom was taken, my Dd and I visited the house where he's at and were told basically to go away (not very politely) once again, and that they'd be keeping the cat inside from now on."

Now Tom is an indoor cat, and its because of you. 100% your fault, and you have not made his life better. Again, its not about his welfare, its about your wants.

"I don't know what to do now. I'd love to offer money for Tom but I don't know whether to leave it for a while, as i.dont want to push things with this family."

You do nothing. Absolutely nothing. You go and find yourself a beautiful cat, maybe at a shelter, who needs a home. You have a lot of love to give, why not rescue a cat? Offer them MONEY? and you say other people think the cat is an object! Youre objectifying him...treating him like a possession that you must have...first he chose you, now you want to buy him. Why? You are fixated and its not healthy.

"They also have a few other cats (according to the going man) and so now I'm so upset that Tom is living with other pets and isn't happy there. If he was he wouldn't have left."

He did not leave. He roamed. He found food. He found a good deal, a nice place and a meal. Lots of cats live happily with other cats. He did not choose you, as you were never able to get near him. Yet you don't think that's important. YOu have built an entire narrative around this, where he is abused, and you are the hero. Again, just think this through. If you think he is being abused, as others have said, there are proper channels to go through.

And I HAVE been in that position. I cared for a cat for a few months. He was ours, for that time. But he slept on my bed with me, every night. He was my little shadow, that was his name, infact. I work from home and he used to lie on my keyboard, little scamp! I advertised him as found, and months later, the owner claimed him back. Although i missed him, and it hurt, the cat was not mine. I was glad he had a loving home, and I was so happy to return him to his loved ones. I asked if I could keep in touch, now we're facebook friends and I see updates on him from time to time. I do not intrude, I'm happy that this family has let me see him in this way. They are happy I cared for their cat while he was lost. Had you played things differently, Tom might still be visting, and everyone might be happy. I think you should take a moment to think about that.

No cat is an object, but a feeling, sentient creature. Its you who seems to feel Tom is an object - your object. Ownership matters to you. You weren't happy with him visiting, you wanted to make him yours. As if taking him to the vet and chipping him would achieve that.

The cat chose to go with the man. That may be hard, but its true. You can't just dismiss this, no matter how much you'd like to. You have to accept th ere is NO WAY this man could have caught him, when you coudn't catch him after weeks of feeding him. And when you were standing there, contemplating reefing him out of his owners arms, he could have escaped. He didn't.

And if Tom wanted to get out of that house, then Tom would. A cat will escape if he really wants to. He has not come back, maybe he will, in time. Doors get left open, time will go by, they will forget and they will get lax. BUT if he does come back, you should NOT feed him, because now you know he has a family. There is no excuse for that. If he came to you for affection, that would be completely different. You never touched him.

If you genuniely feel that something is wrong, that the cat is in danger, then there are proper channels. Why did you not report to animal welfare? You didn't for a reason...why?

Again, you need to reflect on your behaviour. YOu should ask yourself these questions. I suspect most of this is grief, and understandable from that point of view, but its bad behaviour. Imagine if you had tried to snatch him back? What would have happened? And despite hundreds of people telling you that you're in the wrong, you persist. Why did you post? honestly, what did you expect people to say? YOu keep arguing that you're right, and bring up irrelevant poinst that only serve to show your intent was to keep Tom. And your focus on this cat is not healthy. So again, ask yourself, what is it that's special about this cat? Is it his connection to Molly?

ANd what if someone had adopted Molly. How would you feel then? Cats can be easily tempted with food, we all know this. Its problematic to me that you have no empathy for the other family. You feel they mistreat the cat. But you dont know that. Maybe there's a child at home who cried their eyes out every night for their cat. Would that make a difference to you? Tom is now healthy, as you said. What will it take to assure you that he is OK?

I think you had good intentions, or even have good intentions, but you continue to miss the point. Your long reply has very little to do with it. they are excuses. you were trying to adopt a cat that didn't need adopting. Now please, go and adopt a cat who does desperately need a home.

"Yes the cat HAS spoken. He spoke some time back when he decided he wanted to be with us. He was in walking distance of the other families house, and if he was happiest there he wouldn't have come to me."

NO. He came to visit. Cats do that. They'll keep coming back for food, why woudn't they? He enjoyed the visit. If he chose you, he'd be curled up in your lap. He never let you touch him. How do you rationalise that? And don't you want a cat that WILL love you back? Curl up on your lap, sleep on your bed?

I've also had someone abduct my cat and try to keep him. Its a horrible, horrible thing to experience, and I'd like you to take aminute to think about the owners feelings. It sounds like they treated you very well, considering. But now feel they have to keep their cat indoors, incase you tempt him back again. Imagine how that feels. And again, Tom is now an indoor cat, because of you. Not them. they are afraid of losing him, you taking him. They made that very clear, but you didn't get the message. Now the cat is restricted and confined to the house. take responsiblity for that.

Why are you not happy that the cat has a loving home? A person does not come looking for a cat if they don't love the cat. I think you need to self reflect on why are you so fixated on this cat. Why can't you get yourself another cat? You have a lot of love to give, and there are so many cats who need someone like you.

I haven't read all the posts, but I haven't seen anything nasty. A bit blunt, maybe. But you won't listen. I'm not being nasty. I'm telling you things you need to think about. Most people say you're wrong, yet you persist to argue that you're right. Not even defend yourself, just argue that you're right. YOu don't address the point, just go off on tangents, so fixated are you on this idea that this is your cat. What was your goal was when you posted...what did you think you should do? What were you hoping peope would say?

I should hope its clear you should do nthing. You should enjoy the happy memories, and you should go out this weekend and find yourself your own cat.

CandlelightGlow · 22/03/2023 07:09

Moonstarssunsky · 21/03/2023 23:33

I'm so sorry about your cat, hopefully she will come home to you soon, just think positively as so many cats do come back.

You're also obviously a very caring pet owner because your showing that your cats feelings come first and that you just want her to be happy.

I think the thing that is making people uncomfortable is because you've found yourself in a situation where you really like a cat and it turns out it has an owner, you've set yourself on the mindset that it's more important what the cat says than what the owner says, and that ownership of the cat is of secondary importance.

As many people have demonstrated on this thread, even though you were acting in kindness, cats will (as is well known) go to houses where they are being fed. A beautiful ginger tom kept coming to my mum's house a couple of years ago, she's a kind soul so fed it, it appeared so much she thought it was a stray and asked if I would take it home. One look at the cat though shows he's friendly, sweet, tame, clearly looked after by not just mum. So I said no (as much as I would have loved him!!) and lo and behold after Christmas he showed up with a brand new sparkly pink collar. Eventually he stopped coming round at all, I think he may have been neutered.

So again to reiterate, while what you did was kind, cats can and do become friendly with any house that feeds him (ever read Six Dinner Sid to your DC?) and that you feeding him and trying to get closer to him is precisely why this man has ended up looking for him and bringing him home. It does not mean their original home is bad nor does it mean their owners do not love them as much. So drawing the conclusion that you, or anyone who feeds a roaming cat, has more rights to them than the owners, is not fair. Plenty of owners do end up leaving their cat with someone else but I have to say, I do think a big part of the reason is a bit unfair on original owners, feeding other people's cats is for some reason a common practice in the UK.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 22/03/2023 07:33

With regards to not getting close to Tom initially, I'm quite wary of cats behaviour because my Dad was once bitten on the hand by a cat, this led to sepsis and caused some sort of kidney damage.

Therefore, I wanted to take it gently with Tom and gain his trust. I've already stated this. I've already stated that Tom became more comfortable with me and started to stay over.

We'd swapped the cat case I already had for one that might be easier to get him inside.

He's not daft though and no amount of dreamies were going to coax him into one.

You wanted to take it gently with a cat that you have claimed was “malnourished”.

This is why I hope this thread is a wind up.

Who actively plans to “take it gently” with a malnourished animal that needs care? Rather than just call cats protection/RSPCA?

Either that or that “malnourished” was over exaggerated.

IWantToBeACat · 22/03/2023 08:03

@Moonstarssunsky I did ask a few boring questions earlier but I'm assuming you missed my post as you only seem to be replying to posts that either agree with you or are on the extreme end. Which of course you are entitled to, but it might help if you did...

Especially:

Could you post a picture of the cat that you used for the flyer? That way people could see why you were so concerned that it looked malnourished?

You said you posted on social media, why didn't you contact one of the local cat charities that would no doubt have been suggested to help you catch him and get him checked at the vets for a chip number and for his health id he looked so malnourished? Especially once he was sleeping in your house. I understand reluctance to contact the RSPCA, they don't always have the best reputation, but local cat charities would have been able to bring a chip checker and almost certainly would have been able to pick him up for you as they are very experienced and come equipped.

Moonstarssunsky · 22/03/2023 08:08

I'm off to work now but will respond later

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RavenofEngland · 22/03/2023 09:23

bloodywhitecat · 20/03/2023 17:22

There's no current obligation to microchip a cat in the UK is there? Tom is not your cat, he has a home and an owner.

Actually that have started making it compulsory for cats to be microchipped. Too many cats have been going missing or killed and there have been no way of tracing the owner. Getting them microchipped is being a responsible cat owner. I adopted a rescue cat recently and in a few short weeks that she has been with us. I have grown to love her as part of my little family as have my children. Although I have not let her out yet be well at some point and I know that I would be devastated if something happened to her and didn’t know about it. Fortunately, rescue cats are micro chipped by the rescuing charity straight away.

Twdfn123 · 22/03/2023 09:30
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Some people are so touchy about peoples honest opinions...

Doesthepopeshitinthewoods · 22/03/2023 09:36

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/03/2023 19:03

It was lighthearted, you melt. You must have missed the post where I suggested she dye his whiskers to disguise him . . .

Melt? Christ.

Also, lighthearted it wasn’t. Don’t fib.

And yeah, I did miss your post, yeah. You’ve posted rather a lot on this thread.

Now, I like cats, but this thread has slightly galvanised a belief I had that ‘cat people’ are a bit bonkers.