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dinner just went to shit - why?

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Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 17:59

Call me overdramatic but I'm trying to process exactly what went on and dinner just now and would appreciate advice on how it went so badly and how to avoid it happening again?

First of all, we're probably all neurodiverse - DS1 and DS2 both diagnosed, I have anxiety and probably adhd but haven't been diagnosed yet, my DD acts 'strangely' for her age so I think she's probably autistic like DS1 and the same goes for my partner.

Anyway.

We sat down for a roast dinner and DD (14) grabbed the gravy jug just as I was about to reach for it. I jokingly said "it's okay, you have the gravy first" with a smile on my face, to which DD asked what I'd said and I just said I was joking, but next time ask before just taking the gravy jug.

She immediately got stroppy and started sulking, so I told her to quit it as she does this a lot and was kind of done with her behaviour for today (she had one of these strops earlier when she took offence to something else I said).

She then sat there with a face like thunder, picking at her food so I told her to stop it, then just lost it and said I couldn't cope with sitting opposite her with a face on her. Left her table and went into the other room - 30 seconds later decided that was childish and started to walk back into the dining room to be met by my partner bringing my plate to me, saying my food was going cold.
I told him it was fine and we sat back down at the table.

Started eating, had to tell DD again to drop the attitude because she was picking at her fold, sighing dramatically and looking like she was about to cry, then my partner got up and turned the tv down to a whisper in the other room (open plan room), came back and sat down but then when I said it was so quiet it may as well have gone off, the whole point I'd put it on was to avoid us all sitting in silence at the table, partner got up and turned the TV back up again then finally came back to statt eating.

He got halfway through his dinner then sat for a minute not eating, then he got up, took his plate out to the kitchen and went and sat in the other room.

Just to clarify, we don't have a rule to stay at the table until everyone's finished, so him leaving the way he did wasn't an issue, aside from the fact he didn't eat all his food like usual.

DD was on the verge of tears and ate slowly, both DS deemed oblivious and when I finished my food I went to ask dp what had been wrong and he said he'd not fancied his food because of the atmosphere (created by my telling dd off - he said I wasn't wrong to do that but it created an awkward atmosphere which put him off his food).

Now, I'm baffled by how it all spiraled - it was such a small thing that escalated and dd end dd up finishing her dinner and going upstairs in tears.

I've spoken to her and apologised for how things went, but how can I stop that happening again? Should I have just not made that joke in the first place or was dd overreacting...was the atmosphere really my fault or should my partner have ignored the fact I told dd off or was it all me and I should've just brought it up with dd after dinner?

Any advice appreciated!

OP posts:
AppleandSpice · 19/03/2023 19:15

I don’t understand your ‘joke’, it wasn’t a joke if you went on to berate her. I also don’t understand why anyone would have to ask for the gravy. If someone else is reaching at the same time you let them go and wait your turn.

The dinner spiralled because you were the one being passive and acting like a stroppy teenager not your daughter.

Fladdermus · 19/03/2023 19:15

EggBlanket · 19/03/2023 19:10

I agree. What a horrible response to someone just reaching for the gravy jug at the same time. I’ve never had dinner with someone who insisted people ask before picking up the gravy jug.

It’s also weird that the OP deliberately leaves the tv on when she sits down to eat because she anticipates an awkward atmosphere. It sounds like there’s a lot more going on here than this one incident.

OP, you owe your family an apology.

The TV being on is pretty normal for neurodivergent people. It's like a form of auditory stimming. Both me and my DS do that and we're both autistic.

But we don't bicker over gravy and trample over each other's feelings.

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

Q1w2e3 · 19/03/2023 19:15

Your poor DD. This made me feel almost panicky to read as it reminded me so much of my family meals as a teen. Trying to swallow past the huge lump in my throat caused by unshed tears. I see my family twice a year now. Take care your situation doesn’t become irreparable too.

whatyoulookingfor · 19/03/2023 19:17

Jesus OP, you sound like the sulky teenager in this.

Indigoshift · 19/03/2023 19:17

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

Surprised she didn't storm off crying herself. Bless her

takealettermsjones · 19/03/2023 19:18

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

Why? What exactly had DD done wrong?

QueenBee1234 · 19/03/2023 19:18

Poor girl, she couldn't do right for doing wrong.
You were definitely the problem here.

OriginalUsername2 · 19/03/2023 19:19

Q1w2e3 · 19/03/2023 19:15

Your poor DD. This made me feel almost panicky to read as it reminded me so much of my family meals as a teen. Trying to swallow past the huge lump in my throat caused by unshed tears. I see my family twice a year now. Take care your situation doesn’t become irreparable too.

Same here.

OP you can’t tell an upset child to get over it and expect them to magically change emotions to please you.

She’s obviously quite sensitive. A stern voice can feel like a punch in the gut.

If you’re aware of possible Neurodivergence, oddities should be expected. You all need to be very kind and understanding with each other.

GoodChat · 19/03/2023 19:20

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

Why? She did nothing wrong. She just wanted some gravy.

Fairydustandsparklylights · 19/03/2023 19:20

What a horrible environment for your dc to grow up in. You created the whole atmosphere, first with the gravy and then going to another room. I bet they can’t wait to get as far away from you as possible.

Cocobutt · 19/03/2023 19:20

I’m hoping this isn’t true.

If not you are controlling and sound jealous of your DD which is why you belittle every little thing she does.

Some parents walk into a room and the entire mood shifts, it is so much better when that parent isn’t there as everyone can stop walking on egg shells.
You are that parent.

gencritdd · 19/03/2023 19:20

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

Why?

BlueSeaWave · 19/03/2023 19:21

Sorry you were mean.
Telling her she had a face on her and being kissed she looked like she was holding back tears?
How did she know you were taking the gravy first? You decided at the same time to take it as she did.

ladydimitrescu · 19/03/2023 19:21

BloomForever · 19/03/2023 19:07

I'd be close to tears and lose my appetite if I was 14 and my mother stormed out of a meal after saying she couldn't cope sitting opposite me. I'd probably be close to tears now and I'm in my 30's.

This!!!

BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 19/03/2023 19:21

You sound difficult op

bussteward · 19/03/2023 19:22

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

What on earth for? Imaginary gravy misdemeanours?

BlueSeaWave · 19/03/2023 19:22

Oh, she picked at her food as you really can’t actually swallow if you are crying.
She’ll shut down talking to you totally and you’ll regret when she doesn’t open up

Loki64 · 19/03/2023 19:22

I dont understand. If she reached for the gravy was she to read ur mind that u were about to reach for it? Must she ask before having gravy?

Seems like u wanted to make a dig about nothing, and then further make a dig at ur partner for turning the tv down. Not sure why there was need to make a dig at either.

DanceMonster · 19/03/2023 19:23

im not being an arse but read your post back… all the issues stemmed from you. You berated her for reaching for the gravy (why? It was communal gravy). You then lost it with her for being upset. Then you stormed out. Then because your behaviour affected the mood of the table, you were annoyed at everyone.

DanceMonster · 19/03/2023 19:24

Why did she need to ask before taking the gravy jug? You said you were about to reach for it… did you ask first?

marshmallowsforbreakfast · 19/03/2023 19:24

You started all of that. No reason why she can't get the gravy first and then sounds like you kept picking on her instead of ignoring it or apologising for upsetting her. Then you stormed off which made it worse.

Reinventinganna · 19/03/2023 19:24

You don’t sound like you like your dd much.

aloris · 19/03/2023 19:24
  1. It wasn't really a joke, it was a criticism disguised as a joke, as evidenced by you first saying it was a joke but then (more or less) saying: but no, really, ask before you take the gravy. No one likes to be criticised but trying to pass it off as a joke also disallows the person criticised from being allowed to feel bad about it or even to query why they are being criticised.

  2. Why does she have to ask? Is there a hierarchy? If yes, why? Why is there a hierarchy for something as small as taking gravy? How does a child feel when the food is all set at the dinner table and she still has to ask permission to serve herself any one food? If there is no hierarchy, why did she have to ask?

  3. She picked at her food and had a grumpy face because she felt sad. She's not allowed to feel sad? How else did you expect her to feel? You're asking for something impossible. Why did you have such an outsize reaction to a child just having her own emotions?

  4. You left the table with your food thus escalating the situation and doing the exact behavior of overly showing negative emotions that you disapproved of in your daughter. Except your dd didn't leave the table, she sat there as instructed, she just couldn't hide that she felt sad.

Topseyt123 · 19/03/2023 19:24

Hankunamatata · 19/03/2023 19:15

I would have sent dc to her room. Enjoyed dinner and let her eat after.

Why? You clearly haven't read the OP. The DD did nothing wrong.

If anything, perhaps OP should have been sent to her room so that everyone else could get on with their meal without being picked at.

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