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dinner just went to shit - why?

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Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 17:59

Call me overdramatic but I'm trying to process exactly what went on and dinner just now and would appreciate advice on how it went so badly and how to avoid it happening again?

First of all, we're probably all neurodiverse - DS1 and DS2 both diagnosed, I have anxiety and probably adhd but haven't been diagnosed yet, my DD acts 'strangely' for her age so I think she's probably autistic like DS1 and the same goes for my partner.

Anyway.

We sat down for a roast dinner and DD (14) grabbed the gravy jug just as I was about to reach for it. I jokingly said "it's okay, you have the gravy first" with a smile on my face, to which DD asked what I'd said and I just said I was joking, but next time ask before just taking the gravy jug.

She immediately got stroppy and started sulking, so I told her to quit it as she does this a lot and was kind of done with her behaviour for today (she had one of these strops earlier when she took offence to something else I said).

She then sat there with a face like thunder, picking at her food so I told her to stop it, then just lost it and said I couldn't cope with sitting opposite her with a face on her. Left her table and went into the other room - 30 seconds later decided that was childish and started to walk back into the dining room to be met by my partner bringing my plate to me, saying my food was going cold.
I told him it was fine and we sat back down at the table.

Started eating, had to tell DD again to drop the attitude because she was picking at her fold, sighing dramatically and looking like she was about to cry, then my partner got up and turned the tv down to a whisper in the other room (open plan room), came back and sat down but then when I said it was so quiet it may as well have gone off, the whole point I'd put it on was to avoid us all sitting in silence at the table, partner got up and turned the TV back up again then finally came back to statt eating.

He got halfway through his dinner then sat for a minute not eating, then he got up, took his plate out to the kitchen and went and sat in the other room.

Just to clarify, we don't have a rule to stay at the table until everyone's finished, so him leaving the way he did wasn't an issue, aside from the fact he didn't eat all his food like usual.

DD was on the verge of tears and ate slowly, both DS deemed oblivious and when I finished my food I went to ask dp what had been wrong and he said he'd not fancied his food because of the atmosphere (created by my telling dd off - he said I wasn't wrong to do that but it created an awkward atmosphere which put him off his food).

Now, I'm baffled by how it all spiraled - it was such a small thing that escalated and dd end dd up finishing her dinner and going upstairs in tears.

I've spoken to her and apologised for how things went, but how can I stop that happening again? Should I have just not made that joke in the first place or was dd overreacting...was the atmosphere really my fault or should my partner have ignored the fact I told dd off or was it all me and I should've just brought it up with dd after dinner?

Any advice appreciated!

OP posts:
GrinAndVomit · 19/03/2023 20:28

Fair enough OP.
You’ve taken the replies on here very well. Without any defensiveness or aggression. That’s surely a sign that the dinner today was a blip and something you can rectify.
I’ve not seen many people take this kind of response as well as you have xx

Codlingmoths · 19/03/2023 20:29

Picking up the gravy is pretty normal! You overreacted and then refused to ignore her grumping. It’s parents jobs to ignore children sulking at the table- instead you left, came back, snapped at your dh. Your poor Dh just tried to keep the peace. He brought you your meal, he meant well with the tv (I’d go insane with the tv on during meals), you were the grump here.

also, this sounds perfectly normal and ok teen behaviour for neurotypical children. This is not about accepting lower standards because they are nd.

Xrays · 19/03/2023 20:29

Well done for owning it and coming back to the thread!

MavisMcMinty · 19/03/2023 20:31

Yes, well done OP. x

IhearyouClemFandango · 19/03/2023 20:31

Ah love, we have all been there. I recognise your behaviour simply because I do it too, and can physical feel myself going down a road I don’t want to go sometimes but can’t figure out how to get back.

Glad you’ve talked it through, these things do happen and aren’t the end of the world.

OnlyFannys · 19/03/2023 20:31

then apparently when I left the room my partner said "well done!" which upset her more your poor dd 😔 she must have felt so shit and still tried so hard to keep her composure and stay at the dinner table. She must have been so hurt.

Sugargliderwombat · 19/03/2023 20:32

Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 20:25

Oh god, well first of all as soon as I posted this, I read it back and realised that you're right, it was all my fault.

I talked to my daughter and she said she hadn't realised I was going for the gravy, got upset when I told her off as she thought everyone would think she had ruined the dinner (it wasn't even a proper mother's day dinner or anything, just a normal sunday roast!) and then apparently when I left the room my partner said "well done!" which upset her more and he's since admitted that he shouldn't have said that as he wasn't in the room when gravygate happened but "assumed" she must've done something bad because of the way I reacted.

I gave her a hug, told her that she wasn't in the wrong at all and that I misunderstood and overreacted.

My partner reckons he's got anxiety or something too as just cooking the dinner stressed him out something rotten.

Came back to hundreds of comments so couldn't read through them all, but got the gist that you all think it was me in the wrong, too.

Back on my anxiety meds then, I guess!

Everyone makes mistakes. Apologise and move on.

SalmonEile · 19/03/2023 20:33

Hope your partner is going to apologize to your daughter too

pizzaHeart · 19/03/2023 20:34

@Whatjusthappenedthen well done for taking it so well.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 19/03/2023 20:34

Good for you OP, for coming back and admitting you were wrong. Flowers And for posting in the first place, to check.

Hopefully you don’t continue to get a pile-on from the usual, tedious, non-thread readers.

Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 20:34

GrassWillBeGreener · 19/03/2023 20:19

Possibly not to quite the same extent, but I recognise the pattern of something trivial and not inappropriate escalating in a way that leaves you reeling inside wondering what on earth happened. Similarly we have one diagnosed ASD in our household but the rest of us may also be ASD and/or AD(H)D.

One time I was trying to talk about sorting out some duplicate keys that needed to be put on everyone's keyrings, when one DC insisted I stop talking. I said that wasn't appropriate, they could finish eating while we had a discussion and it was unacceptable to insist your parent stops talking. Then DH weighed in on the child's side "can't you see you're upsetting them". etc etc. The duplicate keys ended up sitting on the table for weeks unsorted.

Only later did I discover that the DC in question had developed a sensory related reaction to keys - thinking about, touching, or even hearing about them. Aargh!

(nearly as bad as DH's inability to cope with saying or hearing the word "fish" for several years ...)

Yes, the reason I mentioned the postential neurodiversities was that we dont usually eat as a family because my partner struggles with my ADHD DS' arm waving, random noises etc during dinner, he's also quite noise sensitive, I struggle with hearing people chewing and cutlery scraping on plates which is why I tend to like the TV on, but having the TV on tends to exacerbate DS's arm waving and other tics.

So it's all quite stressful anyway, we only all eat together on a Sunday.

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bubbles2023 · 19/03/2023 20:34

Just read your update. We all manage things badly at times- don't beat yourself up about it. I think you were wrong about the gravy and telling a teen not to be sarky is rarely going to work. Best to completely ignore.

Nimbostratus100 · 19/03/2023 20:34

great to hear its all be sorted out and put behind you - have a lovely evening xx

Itsneverwhatitseems · 19/03/2023 20:35

Whatthediddlyfeck · 19/03/2023 18:02

Why did you apologise to dd? Her behaviour was rude. To be fair I’d have ignored the dramatics and carried on eating…that might have stopped things escalating like they did

Agree
Dont give the dramatics any place at the table.
Or anywhere for that matter
Have a conversation with everyone else, if she wants to join in great, if not, her loss.
If that happened in my house they’d be doing the washing up after.

reesewithoutaspoon · 19/03/2023 20:36

Glad to see you've talked to your DD and set things straight. That will matter a lot to her. We all have bad days. At least you recognised that and tried to rectify it.

Redandyellowelephant · 19/03/2023 20:36

This is why I always check if someone wants the gravy (or something else) first to avoid comments like this as I'm not great at reading cues and worry what people may think badly of me if I rush to grab things! Don't worry OP you've apologised and hopefully you're daughter will feel better tomorrow x

LivingInCrazyTown · 19/03/2023 20:37

What I took away from this is that you are a grown adult who makes snarky passive aggressive comments to people who haven't done anything wrong (except fail to read your mind), you criticise people's facial expressions, you flounce off from the dinner table, and criticise the other adult for nothing (turning down the TV). Is this who you want to be?

It seems like you knew you were in the wrong but couldn't admit it so just kept bullying your way through the situation.

Indigoshift · 19/03/2023 20:37

GrinAndVomit · 19/03/2023 20:28

Fair enough OP.
You’ve taken the replies on here very well. Without any defensiveness or aggression. That’s surely a sign that the dinner today was a blip and something you can rectify.
I’ve not seen many people take this kind of response as well as you have xx

Fair point. Hope your oh agrees too as he was wrong too.

Whatjusthappenedthen · 19/03/2023 20:39

Thanks again all.

DD is a lot like me when I was her age unfortunately, and so I think the problem is I know the road I went down with my mental health as a young adult and I panic when she 'acts out' as I percieve it.

The people who have told me how they would have handled things have actually helped more than they realise because I just can't picture how else I should have reacted, if that makes any sense at all.

And yes, my partner apologised too and everyone's had a hug.

OP posts:
Clymene · 19/03/2023 20:46

Good for you for recognising this. I hope it helps next time.

bussteward · 19/03/2023 20:47

A rare OP who takes it on the chin and sees sense – well done. Glad all is well.

An alternative gravy/other food things suggestion is if someone gets to an item first or is using something, just say “Please may I have the gravy after you”. Easy, non-passagg, clear. And when you’re serving yourself something, offer it to the person on the left next – if everyone follows that idea everyone gets their turn.

SilverPeacock · 19/03/2023 20:50

Well done OP!

Justforlaffs · 19/03/2023 20:50

Sorry not rtft - just from reading your first post it sounds like you were at fault Op.

You were sarky with your dd when all she did was reach for the gravy. Maybe she feels like she can’t do anything right? Then you went off in a strop into the other room - why?

Your dh sounds like he’s fed up.

Be the adult. Your dd sounds like a normal teen - cut her some slack.

Also, having the tv on whilst your having dinner (and passive-aggressively telling your dh he’s turned it down too low) is very strange.

Maybe try turning it off next time and talking to one another?

EmmaEmerald · 19/03/2023 20:50

Glad it was helpful OP, and that all's well now.

gencritdd · 19/03/2023 20:50

Justforlaffs · 19/03/2023 20:50

Sorry not rtft - just from reading your first post it sounds like you were at fault Op.

You were sarky with your dd when all she did was reach for the gravy. Maybe she feels like she can’t do anything right? Then you went off in a strop into the other room - why?

Your dh sounds like he’s fed up.

Be the adult. Your dd sounds like a normal teen - cut her some slack.

Also, having the tv on whilst your having dinner (and passive-aggressively telling your dh he’s turned it down too low) is very strange.

Maybe try turning it off next time and talking to one another?

Yeah maybe you should've at least read the op posts?