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To carry on applauding Gary Lineker....2 - hoping to see BBC bosses heads roll.

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Nimbostratus100 · 11/03/2023 21:18

Because he was speaking the truth and he is entitled to, without being censored.

I am delighted to see the number of other sports commentators supporting him.

Now lets see Davie resign

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Clavinova · 12/03/2023 22:47

DuncinToffee
The Boy in the striped pyjamas is set in a concentration camp in the 1940s

Indeed - which is why I highlighted cakeorwine's reference to 'detention camps' in my reply. I mentioned the film earlier because the Holocaust survivor who criticised Suella Braverman referred to 1943. However, I am certain that the screenwriter/author did their research and looked at libraries such as this;

Jewish Virtual Library - Propaganda and Children During the Hitler Years
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/propaganda-and-children-during-the-hitler-years
The 12 year old daughter in the film read out words such as 'evil' and 'vermin' from 'history' books and other material provided by her tutor - those same words appear (for example) in a school composition published in 1935 (reference 12 in the link).

how is that related to GL's tweet?

GL was mistaken about the strength of language used in 1930s Germany.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 12/03/2023 22:58

NowThatsWhatICall22 · 12/03/2023 21:24

It doesn’t matter how much you talk about Alan Sugar, he does not have a job working for the BBC. He appears on the Apprentice, an independent production company make the programme. He does not have a talent contract with the BBC. There is a huge difference. Nobody has ever stopped GL from tweeting. It really is very boring now and a huge distraction from other important news stories.

So what about Chris Packham?

Clavinova · 12/03/2023 23:09

Notonthestairs
You can't provide a timeline for when Sugar deleted his tweets. It might have been an hour later or weeks

From my previous links it would appear he deleted the tweets within one day;
[Saturday] 31 March 2018
Alan Sugar deletes Corbyn Hitler tweet after backlash
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43604058

The peer, who stars in the BBC’s The Apprentice, had posted the tweet on Friday [30 March 2018]
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/31/mcdonnell-calls-for-lord-sugar-to-delete-corbyn-hitler-tweet

IHaveaSetOfVeryParticularSkills · 12/03/2023 23:18

GL was mistaken about the strength of language used in 1930s Germany.

Give it couple of years. These ones basically just started.... Public already uses that term for migrants and immigrants (referendum was quite an eye opener for "polish vermin" and other EE).
They didn't just start calling jewish vermin from one week to next. It developed. Like it's developing in politician's language here.

Twinstudy · 12/03/2023 23:32

JoonT · 12/03/2023 19:33

The left reduce everything to simple black and white. Take national identity. Either you laugh at Britain, despise its history and think the whole idea of national identity is absurd, or you are a stupid, xenophobic right-wing nationalist. No middle ground.

They do the same with the migration crisis. Either you think every single one of these young men is fleeing ‘war and persecution’ and that we should open our doors, because mass immigration always ‘enriches’ us, or you’re a small-minded fascist bigot. Again, no middle ground. It’s a really effective technique, especially when it’s so cool to be liberal and left-wing.

I find moderate, middle of the road conservatives far more tolerant than left wing people. They are also more respectful of their opponents, more willing to listen, and more willing to change their mind. I began as a socialist, but have gradually morphed into a moderate conservative. And one of the main reasons has been my contact with left-wing people, who have frequently disappointed and even disgusted me. I find them insufferably smug, intolerant, sanctimonious, and mindless. In fact, many of them seem to me like liberal robots (or ‘lib-bots’ as I call them). Instead of thinking for themselves on each issue, they mindlessly regurgitate what they think the liberal-left viewpoint will be.

What a load of bollocks.

I'm going to take a wild guess that you're someone who says we're not allowed to say merry Christmas anymore. Whilst stood outside a card shop filled with Christmas cards.

DuncinToffee · 13/03/2023 00:02

Clavinova · 12/03/2023 22:47

DuncinToffee
The Boy in the striped pyjamas is set in a concentration camp in the 1940s

Indeed - which is why I highlighted cakeorwine's reference to 'detention camps' in my reply. I mentioned the film earlier because the Holocaust survivor who criticised Suella Braverman referred to 1943. However, I am certain that the screenwriter/author did their research and looked at libraries such as this;

Jewish Virtual Library - Propaganda and Children During the Hitler Years
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/propaganda-and-children-during-the-hitler-years
The 12 year old daughter in the film read out words such as 'evil' and 'vermin' from 'history' books and other material provided by her tutor - those same words appear (for example) in a school composition published in 1935 (reference 12 in the link).

how is that related to GL's tweet?

GL was mistaken about the strength of language used in 1930s Germany.

GL was mistaken about the strength of language used in 1930s Germany.

And yet nobody has told Lineker about his mistake, strange that.

Or did you maybe miss out the 'in my opinion'?

cakeorwine · 13/03/2023 07:42

GL was mistaken about the strength of language used in 1930s Germany

You are referencing 1935. Hitler's rise began in the 1920s

Do you know much about the rise of Hitler, the rise of the Nazi party. How he started in the 1920s. The language used back then, the antisemitism, the attacks on democracy, capturing the feelings of the German people after the issues with inflation, the Treaty of Versailles

All very clever and manipulative.

Like I said, slowly, slowly.....it just takes time to get people to turn against others

And yes, detention camps. Out of sight, out of mind. But people don't object because the conditioning that is going on so we don't expect the people in them be treated the same way we would like to be treated by.

cakeorwine · 13/03/2023 07:54

Some reading here

encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/adolf-hitler-1924-1930?series=4

Using language developed from discussions with groups of potential voters about their hopes and fears, Nazi speakers developed themes geared to reconcile these traditional areas of conflict and to stoke fear of:

inadequate national defense and sovereignty
communism
enslavement under the terms of the Versailles Treaty to foreign political and cultural influence, control and oppression
economic decline and job insecurity
increasing moral depravity in German society, allegedly generated by Jewish and other internationalist influences using the tools of democracy and Germany’s alleged weakness and lack of self-esteem

The Nazis promoted a future of national renewal, in which they would:
restore Germany’s strength and pride by tearing up the Treaty of Versailles
establish a self-sufficient and prosperous economy that guaranteed full employment based on talent and national patriotism
cleanse Germany’s streets and mass/popular media of criminal activity, asocial behavior and allegedly immoral expression
annihilate the alleged Marxist (Communist/Socialist) threat to German politics and culture
remove foreign and Jewish influences (political, economic, cultural, intellectual and genetic) that allegedly undermined German society

Modern technology (e.g. air travel, radio, mass rallies with technological bells and whistles, and deep engagement of the country’s youth) enhanced Nazi campaigning.
Hitler himself, the first German politician to use air travel in a political campaign, blanketed the country to deliver his message of national renewal to a nation perceiving itself to be increasingly spiraling into an existential and lethal political, economic and cultural/moral crisis.

In the September 14, 1930 elections, the Nazi Party captured 18.3% of the vote, depending significantly on new voters, unemployed voters, and alienated voters deserting the middle class parties

No political party leader rivaled Hitler’s personal charisma in addressing large crowds, small groups, or individuals, or the appeal the Nazis generated with modern electoral practices:
market research to identify concerns and hopes of potential voting groups and incorporation of those concerns and hopes into stump speeches
air transport to move Hitler and other Nazi speakers around the country quickly during elections
massive, carefully choreographed rallies throughout the country, reaching across traditional boundaries of class, education, region, income, religion, age and gender

And that's just the 1920s

Stoking fears, fears of immoral expression, identifying influences they thought were causing this

DuncinToffee · 13/03/2023 08:44

(How) Do we talk about fascism

gladstonediaries.blogspot.com/2023/03/how-do-we-talk-about-fascism.html?m=1

IHaveaSetOfVeryParticularSkills · 13/03/2023 08:44

the Treaty of Versailles
That was a sore spot. Iirc nazis called Czechoslovakia atrocisity of countries, it shouldn't exist and it's a stolen land from Germans. Sudetland is still not easy to talk about for many. Only saving there was probably that there was a functioning industry Germany needed.
As I said, there were plans to exterminate/move/germanise/slave nearby slavic countries and take back their land (and we were all reminded of that and 1938 last year...). The use of vermin was used on people of Czechoslovakia, Poland and others as well. But also lots of other tems and rubbish. For all I know my family could have well be moved to Siberia under the original plans because that one side has no german/austrian/nordic blood

I do wonder what would happen if economic depression that time didn't happen.

Considering todays situation here with economic issues, rise in antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and any hate crime going, blaming issues on neighbourhooding ecenomic block (though eu at least doesn't slaughter people), russia issue, language like swarms and invasion used, and EEs being yet again "ugh but they are good for lower jobs" while further east is just "ugh", one cannot be surprised people draw comparisons.

LaRitournelle · 13/03/2023 09:41

Sky news reporting Lineker is set to return and the BBC to issue an apology 👏

bellac11 · 13/03/2023 09:44

Apologise to who though? The article reads as if its an apology to viewers about the disruption. Really they need to apologise to him

DuncinToffee · 13/03/2023 10:18

After a surreal few days, I’m delighted that we have navigated a way through this. I want to thank you all for the incredible support, particularly my colleagues at BBC Sport, for the remarkable show of solidarity. Football is a team game but their backing was overwhelming. 1/4

twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1635220356737937413?t=r9A99UZ1qbiCZSpHCwAsBQ&s=19

romatheroamer · 13/03/2023 10:26

But don't the BBC look very stupid now, having rushed into suspending GL at the Government's behest without anticipating there might be a backlash?
By the way, Sharp's still there.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 13/03/2023 10:30

romatheroamer · 13/03/2023 10:26

But don't the BBC look very stupid now, having rushed into suspending GL at the Government's behest without anticipating there might be a backlash?
By the way, Sharp's still there.

Yep. They look ridiculous.

Sharp's position seems increasingly untenable. It will be interesting to see if he hangs on!

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2023 10:37

The BBC apologised to viewers.

As much as people will be happy others will see partiality in the other direction and be equally annoyed.

They’ve been a bit hopeless at providing decent guidelines and either way people will be pissed off.

An organisation lagging behind SM reality

bellac11 · 13/03/2023 10:38

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2023 10:37

The BBC apologised to viewers.

As much as people will be happy others will see partiality in the other direction and be equally annoyed.

They’ve been a bit hopeless at providing decent guidelines and either way people will be pissed off.

An organisation lagging behind SM reality

A lot of people wouldnt have even have known. I wouldnt have known. I dont follow him or watch football.

The BBC shone the spotlight on this then dealt with it really badly.

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 13/03/2023 10:43

inky1991 · 12/03/2023 14:35

*Or he’s using his position of wealth and influence to actually stand up for people who can’t stand up for themselves.

If you or I call the government out, maybe 10 people will listen. If someone with influence calls them out hundreds of thousands will listen. He’s rich enough already that if the BBC sack him over this he won’t be affected.

Well done Gary for calling out the atrocities our government is pushing through.*

Yeah, multi millionaire Saint Gary pretending he's a socialist and pro distribution of wealth...it's laughable 🙄. It's extremely easy to sit in your west London mansion, advocating popular political opinions when you know the outcome will have no chance in hell of ever affecting you and your elite gated community.

I missed the memo where you have to be poor to care or help others, and no one has claimed he wants to share the wealth. He’s defending people starving in tents in Calais. Who cares if he’s rich?

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2023 10:43

I think you would have ended up hearing about it.
36 Tory MPs wrote to Tim Davie demanding an apology from GL and insisting on an investigation.

lazycats · 13/03/2023 10:43

On paper the tories would have loved a big Lineker controversy but you got the sense in the last few days that even they thought it was going to far and wouldn't help them. Looks like they were right:

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 50% (+3)
CON: 27% (-4)
LDM: 9% (+1)
GRN: 4% (-1)
RFM: 4% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)

Via Delta Polling

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/03/2023 11:38

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2023 10:43

I think you would have ended up hearing about it.
36 Tory MPs wrote to Tim Davie demanding an apology from GL and insisting on an investigation.

Entitled snowflakes who can't stand it when their incompetence is criticised and so they report people to their employers to get them cancelled.

The Tories are an embarrassment.

Oblomov23 · 13/03/2023 16:18

I never saw the apology bit reported. Only that he'd be back on MoTD.

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