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Is it ever OK to say "pull yourself together" these days?

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Spacecrafty · 06/03/2023 19:34

My DH struggles with his MH. I think. He doesn't get any help or have a diagnosis- but he has times of anxiety for sure. Sometimes when I'm knee deep in nappies and trying to cook dinner and I've just done a full day's work and I see him staring at the floor all vacant or he says he can't "cope with bedtime tonight" or he just goes mute for a day at the weekend....I just think "bloody pull yourself together man"

My mum was very harsh with me growing up. If I was upset or ill she'd always tell me to pull myself together and get on with it. I have the same instinct, the same desire to tell him to snap out of it and give me a hand.... but I guess in this more enlightened age about mental health - it's a totally unreasonable and unkind response isn't it? It's v hard to remain empathetic at all times.

What do people think?

OP posts:
Acheyknees · 06/03/2023 22:20

Does he suffer anxiety and MH issues just when dealing with the unenjoyable aspects of life?
If his mate turned up with 2 free tickets to the football would his anxiety/MH issues stop him from going?

Livinginanotherworld · 06/03/2023 22:21

LucyLastik · 06/03/2023 22:07

The attitudes to MH on this thread are why there is still such a stigma surrounding it.

As if it was that easy to "pull yourself together ".

Would you feel the same if it was a physical illness?

I despair.

But there actually isn’t a stigma surrounding it. That’s why every man and his dog is suffering from mental health issues…..it’s becoming normalised, you can’t just have a shit day anymore, you are anxious and depressed. Life is not a bed of roses and there is always, always someone worse of than yourself. So yes, a lot of people could actually “pull themselves together” that will leave resources for the poor souls that actually can’t !

Beaniesmumsie · 06/03/2023 22:25

My husband has depression, triggered by my ill health and near death experience. So lucky me I get to pick up all the pieces and do everything because everything is ‘so hard for him’, even though I was the one who was poorly. He’s being an arsehole to me today. I’m just done, I can’t do this anymore. You’re not alone.

TomPinch · 06/03/2023 22:25

"Pull yourself together" is just another way of saying 'focus'.

I don't say it, but only because it's counter-productive. There are many other nicer, more direct ways of making the same point.

E.g. sorry you're feeling bad, but we still need to do X now. Here you go <passes tea towel>

StaceyLikesFlowers · 06/03/2023 22:26

Opposite of stigma. It's become a meaningless meme.

I'm not sure whether people with genuine problems are better off. In the past maybe they were ignored because people didn't understand. Now, no one wants to know because 20 people that day have said they have a MH issue - and most likely don't.

MaudorMatilda · 06/03/2023 22:29

When life is difficult I think of WW2 and immediate years after. My mother's stories and experience. Summed up in Churchills words: "just keep buggering on".
Everybody experienced great difficulties year after year. Have you looked at the food rations they had in 1944/5?
There was now cosy place to retreat to, you had to 'get a grip' and keep things together as best you could and NOT GIVE IN. It worked, they made it work. So can we.

JudgeJ · 06/03/2023 22:30

Oarty · 06/03/2023 19:39

No.... for this be the age of woke snowflakery, don't you know??!

Naughty! It's not said often enough.

SomersetONeil · 06/03/2023 22:33

Livinginanotherworld · 06/03/2023 22:21

But there actually isn’t a stigma surrounding it. That’s why every man and his dog is suffering from mental health issues…..it’s becoming normalised, you can’t just have a shit day anymore, you are anxious and depressed. Life is not a bed of roses and there is always, always someone worse of than yourself. So yes, a lot of people could actually “pull themselves together” that will leave resources for the poor souls that actually can’t !

Absolutely this ^^

There is no stigma around it any more, and there hasn’t been for a long time.

Almost everyone claims some sort of mental health issue these days.

It’s far more normal to be on some sort of medication and/or in therapy, than not to be!

Germolenequeen · 06/03/2023 22:38

@LucyLastik

**The attitudes to MH on this thread are why there is still such a stigma surrounding it.

As if it was that easy to "pull yourself together ".

Would you feel the same if it was a physical illness?

I despair.**

This 💯 and I'm going to hide this thread after I post.

I've been in that black tunnel and so has my son - he still is on & off.

Yes it's hard desperately fucking soul destroyingly hard trying to support a family member with depression so I have sympathy for OP.

People do however need to fucking educate themselves before spouting complete shite on here.

Lentilweaver · 06/03/2023 22:47

If it was a physical issue I would expect my DH to go to the GP. Not moan all day and make me carry the load.

TomPinch · 06/03/2023 22:51

MaudorMatilda · 06/03/2023 22:29

When life is difficult I think of WW2 and immediate years after. My mother's stories and experience. Summed up in Churchills words: "just keep buggering on".
Everybody experienced great difficulties year after year. Have you looked at the food rations they had in 1944/5?
There was now cosy place to retreat to, you had to 'get a grip' and keep things together as best you could and NOT GIVE IN. It worked, they made it work. So can we.

Careful with this one. As my wise mother (born just after the Blitz) says:

"'We coped just fine in the war' - say people who didn't live through it" :-)

TradedAngelsForMyDemons · 06/03/2023 22:57

I watched one of my closest friends go from one of the most capable people I’ve ever met to being unable to cope with making a cup of tea. Anxiety/depression are bastards. I watched her mum tell her to pull herself together and she literally crumbled into a heap on the floor. So no, it’s not ok or in any way helpful.

Your husband does need to seek help though. My friend couldn’t even manage to book the appointments, drive to get there or face getting a taxi. Me and our group of friends had to take her to appointments, look after her children, cook and clean for her. Her anxiety and depression were completely debilitating.

Lots of therapy, support and time and she’s come out the other side, thankfully, but her relationship with her mum hasn’t recovered.

I understand your frustration, especially when you’re left to do everything and no doubt you’re shattered. But having seen it almost destroy such a capable person, if it was my partner, I would try to think how awful it must be to deal with. I would tell him that if he wasn’t going to book therapy that you will. And that you’ll take him there if needed. He needs to consider medication as he must try to get better for you and his children and himself.

Kind but firm is the way to go I think. Try to hide your frustration, it just makes the person feel more useless than they already feel.

I hope things improve, it’s a difficult road. 💐

Immychops · 06/03/2023 22:57

I genuinely suffer from MH issues.
Therapy has taught me that the only way I can deal with it is to sort it out myself. Therapy can only guide you with this. It can't cure you.
So yes, to some extent, you do have to 'pull yourself together'.
You have to manage your thinking better. You've got to put alot of effort in.

If people just sit and wallow in it, then they're not going to get better.
So actually, telling someone to pull themselves together is actually very good advice, because it's exactly what they need to do.

Wolfiefan · 06/03/2023 23:00

So many horrible comments on here. I have depression and anxiety. I can’t just pull myself together. No more than a person with a physical injury can.
But what I could do is seek actual RL help. A diagnosis and treatment. That is what needs to happen.

furryfrontbottom · 06/03/2023 23:05

If your husband does not have, and is not actively seeking, a diagnosis he cannot expect to be excused from normal parenting duties.

Overthebloodymoon · 06/03/2023 23:48

Agree with @early30smum and@SomersetONeil Spot on. Survival of the fittest and all that. Back in the day, if you didn’t pull yourself together and get your shit sorted, you’d have been dead. End of. You couldn’t declare every bad day a ‘bad mental health day’ or whatever other woke bollocks is en vogue. There are the genuine sufferers of MH conditions and there are the chronic pisstakers who, insultingly, try to call the odd bit of normal stress or anxiety a diagnosable medical condition. It’s wrong!

My DM was like yours, OP. Harsh but fair. I’m one of the most resilient people I know. I’m not saying I never have bad days but I have had some bad shit thrown at me (think family death after family death after close relative’s cancer diagnosis after the next thing etc.) and it’s that instilled resilience that has kept me together. Snowflakes, understandably, get very short shrift.

Goawayangryman · 07/03/2023 00:15

I think it's all a question of balance. I do get what you mean about not being sympathetic. Some people give sympathy and empathy easily and others are more matter of fact, just one of those things.

I would put good money on your partner having been coddled growing up, and being thoroughly used to being regularly pandered to? The zoning out and staring at the floor sounds like opting out of family life and leaving you to do the hard work. If you've always been the coper in the relationship he probably thinks this is normal.

I just get the sense you're beating yourself up and calling yourself unsympathetic etc when actually you just have very reasonable needs and you're not used to your needs being met.

Maverickess · 07/03/2023 00:36

I've been quite ill with anxiety and depression and been hospitalised when ill. And I've heard several versions of 'pull yourself together' over the years, but I think the intent behind the phrase is more important than the phrase itself. But, that the phrase has become negative and seen as something you should never say to anyone.

I've heard it with a meaning of "I can't be bothered to deal with you right now and you're just wallowing" to "I am going to help you, but that's not going to work unless you engage because I am struggling too"

The thing about depression, ime, is that you can't usually overcome it alone and need help, of varying degrees from family and friends support to medical intervention, but the one thing that you'll never overcome it without is the want to overcome it from within yourself (God, I sound like a bad self help book 🙄) but, that's the hardest thing to find when you're in that place, it takes a hell of a lot of inner strength and determination - both of which are usually hard to find when depressed.

Sometimes, unfortunately, people do hide behind the diagnosis and think that as they have that diagnosis and some therapy or tablets, they'll do all the work - but as with any illness, the support and treatment is only part of the recovery, the person who is ill needs to engage too. As I've said, this can be the hardest part because the thing impacted hardest by depression/anxiety is your sense of self.

Others are much more unwell than even they realise and very good at masking it, and when they stop outwardly coping, it's because they can't, they have been putting so much effort into 'keeping' themselves together that they just don't have anything left.

And being honest, I've been in both places and neither is a good place to be, but at least ime, the second is the most dangerous. On balance, I don't know if I'd say it to someone at all, because of the risk that they're in the second place and it tips them even further.
The professionals I have dealt with are actually pretty good at telling the difference, and I suspect that's sometimes that's why they're avoided.

And, I do wonder if in the past, we were more accepting of the negative emotions we feel, such as anger, feeling down, feeling hopeless, being upset or emotional, being nervous or anxious as being on the scale of normal, accepted and acceptable - for short periods and/or in response to issues in life.

I do feel sometimes that we're encouraged to think something is 'wrong' with us if we aren't permanently happy and content with our lot, and that actually makes things worse instead of better because we then feel inadequate for feeling normal human emotions.

kimcho · 07/03/2023 00:46

Not to a snowflake, apparently!

Offensiveapprently · 07/03/2023 01:14

I tell my six year old when he unnecessarily whining about nothing to straighten his face and pull himself together. If he is genuinely upset I do hug him and tell him I love him. I think I'm a decent mum.

SisterAgatha · 07/03/2023 01:17

There are times I need solitude/love/caring whatever.

and there are times I need someone to say “pull yourself together”. I’d welcome it. In the right moment it’s very motivating.

Lavender14 · 07/03/2023 01:17

Moonicorn · 06/03/2023 19:47

This. There’s no ‘sliding scale of bad’ any more, just ‘your feelings are equal/valid’. Errrr no they’re not. It’s much better for minor to moderate MH issues to stay busy, exercise, distract yourself than it is to draw the curtains and lie in bed ruminating over things. But 🤷🏼‍♀️ if you suggest it you get told off for ‘invalidating someone’s feelings’.

This is very true. It can also feel borderline impossible to do these things when you're very low. And some people have better resilience/ effective coping skills than others usually due to life experience or brain chemistry. To me that's just as bad as someone telling their partner that they've a huge issue in work and they're super stressed and the partner goes 'don't worry about it'. As if that helps or fixes anything or is just that easy. All that does is shut the other person down.

I tell myself to pull myself together regularly but I wouldn't say it to someone else no. I would tell him very firmly that he has responsibilities to you and his children and if he finds that he cant manage these then he needs to do something about that so counselling/gp/mens support group etc. He cannot just opt out and allow it to continue and get worse because that's fair to no one. Expecting yourself to constantly soldier on does nothing but martyr you and make you more susceptible to burnout because of poor personal boundaries.

ashitghost · 07/03/2023 02:08

I spent years being told I was depressed or bipolar and would have these bouts of misery and ennui that meant I just checked out and used lines like “you wouldn’t tell someone with a broken leg or cancer to pull themselves together”. Well, then I got cancer and I’ve never been depressed since. I wish someone had told me to snap out of it. Instead my emotions were pathologised.

I think we have swung far too far the other way with the most ridiculous carry on in terms of mental health. You quite literally can’t go a day without those two words booming down your ears from somewhere. And I would not personally be able to live with a man who just checked out of life on some vagary. I wasted years being enabled in that respect. I’ve had two acute crises of pnd with psychosis, and had to be admitted to mother and baby units each time for a couple of months. They’re the only two things I’ll hold my hands up to. Everything else I was enabled by doctors and family, even when well meaning.

LemonSwan · 07/03/2023 02:18

Only ok if it comes from the right person, at the right time but I think it’s important thing to do. Even in really bad situations, it’s not belittling the feelings and maybe shouldn’t be said as shortly as that, but the sentiment that you need to get up, keep going, keep trying and that things will improve is important.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 07/03/2023 02:24

I am a strong advocate for MORE telling people to pull themselves together. Especially lazy dads not mucking in to do there but leaving a woman to do it all. People have no resilience these days at all.