Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

'Population density' is generally the sign of a pretty facile argument, ignoring as it does quite a few factors covered in the GCSE geography curriculum.

At any rate what rate of increase could France deal with, versus the rate of increase we could? And how does that relate to the picture on the ground?

Those who think the people arriving in boats should just hop on a plane instead🤦‍♀️need to watch this.

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1595381835491835905?s=20

The truth is, to make the asylum system work, three things need to happen. Firstly there needs to be a system of safe, legal routes available for people to use to claim asylum in the UK.

Secondly there needs to be a quick and effective means of assessing and resolving asylum claims so seekers are either accepted or deported without years in limbo.

Thirdly there needs to be a cap on the number of people the UK is prepared to accept in any given period. This means that not every person who is eligible and wants asylum in the UK would get asylum but honestly that's the case now and, most importantly, it would make the system more acceptable the the general population and proper plans could be put in place by government as to how and where successful applicants are settled.

@AviMav I'm afraid that's not true in all cases- many are paying vast sums- there are gangs actually running these enterprises from overseas too . Many of them are Brits too

I'm not anti immigration either, just wanted to say it's in accurate to say that non are paying others to be 'helped' on dodgy routes in.

@Crikeyalmighty my response was to the other poster. That's not the definition of being trafficked , people who are trafficked are victims.

The way the poster wrote it as if it was so simple I mean FGS like the other poster asked if it was that simple why aren't the people doing what they suggested? 😳

There also needs to be a much more organized robust teaching of English language and culture if asylum seekers are not to be huge drain on resources for many years. I see many young men who can't speak English waiting for ages to get on courses. The only jobs they are interested in are car wash or barbering. They also are often not interested in any work. The young women from many countries tend to be encouraged not to work by their families which doesn't help either.

If the Tories wanted a real daily mail style vote winner, there would be a system set up for applications from consuls abroad. Once that is in place, the Royal Navy shoots small boats out of the channel.

I'm just wondering why that hasn't been touted ..yet..

A lot of people don't see the difference between illegal immigration and asylum seeking. Unfortunately, the minority of illegal and undesirable migrants poison the goodwill towards genuine asylum seekers.

Ps..I don't think its a good idea!!!!!! Before I get slaughtered!!!

Sarcasm doesn't translate well into the written form but it's definitely how my brain is translating this comment.

I spoke with an illegal immigrant (won’t say how but safe to say he was I would say a victim of modern slavery). I’m of the same background and ethnicity as him but born here. He was part of a group of people and I ended up talking with him. He said he would love to go back home. He felt life was better there but he can’t as his family a) spent a fortune getting him to England b) although he essentially was being exploited and paid a pittance it still amounted to more than he could earn where he was from c) and if he returned as he had come here illegally he could not return legally to England.

So I think that’s already in place?

Heartbreaking though, I think he was just looking to get married here so could settle better and get a better job.

There are human rights issues in Albania, though, especially for the minority that is ethnically Greek.

There hasn't been a war in Turkey recently, either, but I have 2 friends who were granted refugee status because they were persecuted for in the campaign for equal rights for Kurds in Turkey.

People can, and are, granted asylum for political reasons. I've worked with refugee clients who were Chinese dissidents and a gay rights activist who had to flee Zimbabwe, among others.

NetballMum - In an ideal world we'd all be able to live wherever we wanted to, but life isn't like that. We can't have uncontrolled immigration, it's just not feasible.

This.

Ex forces. No housing. Told I should be thankful to have a home with my elderly parents. And to care for them as best I can due to lack of care while working ridiculous hours to pay for everything.

My heart goes out to those in difficulty but some of us are in difficulty here. It may not be a war zone but every day feels like a battle.

You are mistaken.

Under the Coalition Government of 2010 a very lucrative 'cottage industry' grew up with Leftie Immigration Lawyers exploiting every opportunity to appeal against deportations. Jo Public footed the Legal Aid Bill for this.

The government is blaming immigration for the fallout arising from their decimation of our public services under the guise of "austerity".

Yes many of us are in difficulty here. But if the boats stopped coming tomorrow. If we banned all immigration from tomorrow, that would change nothing for ordinary people. In fact it would make things worse as we need immigration. W

Nearly 13 years of Tory mismanagement. Austerity. Greed and corruption. That is why so many people are struggling.

Cross post with LakieLady.

And how can't believe some Labour Luvvies actually believe this rubbish.

Not every hotelier wants to take in asylum seekers/immigrants/migrants;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11434403/Hotel-owner-turns-1m-Government-offer-house-migrants-ruined-business.html

www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/skegness-hotel-owner-refuses-obscene-7834733

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11375353/Councils-revolt-hotels-asylum-seekers-growing-FOUR-legal-action.html

and locals don't want it either;

planetradio.co.uk/lincs-fm/local/news/skegness-asylum-seeker-refugees-protest/

It's horrific, I imagine ineffective in terms of reducing the numbers arriving in small boats and I'm not sure it's even legal (ie in breach of international law on human rights and asylum).

It will never happen. Rwanda will never happen. It is just desperation from the Tories.

@IClaudine Nearly 13 years of Tory mismanagement. Austerity. Greed and corruption. That is why so many people are struggling.

Please get your facts straight and stop spreading misinformation.

The rot set in under Gordon Brown (who undersold more than half of Britain's Gold Reserves.)

A UK government budget surplus in 2001-2 was followed by many years of budget deficit, and following the financial crisis of 2007–2008, (which started under Tony Blair and continued under Gordon Brown) a period of economic recession began in the country. The first austerity measures were introduced in late 2008 under Gordon Brown.

As usual the Tories inherited all Labour's financial bloopers.

‘we can't deal with the volume of people, but France can comfortably deal with many times that number?’

The French Government has implemented strict border controls between a France and Spain, and France and Italy. There are tent cities on the non French side of the borders, full of aspirant men trying to get into France. The French regularly refuse to accept the migrant charities’ boats from docking and unloading in French ports.

so the French are trying hard not accept the ‘volume of people ‘

If they need asylum they can’t just stay in their country and save up for a visa. They might be dead by then.

Population increase is mostly from legal immigration anyway, so banning asylum wont help pressure on nhs etc.

Your services are not there because the tories believe in a small state and have spent the last ten years systematically underfunding the nhs etc. Then convinced people like you it’s all the immigrants fault. Many of the red wall voted for brexit and the tories, hard to feel much sympathy for the mess you are now in.