Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

I think the majority will push for this and won’t be bitter. They will be unhappy if politicians don’t listen though.

I’m not really seeing it on here tbh. Just people arguing for different things.

I don’t know what your point is with thinking that the more people are already crammed into an island, then the more people you can add in to the mix. It is illogical idiocy. We would all end up living in coffin flats stacked in warehouses. Humans need room. You wouldn’t want even livestock to be in overcrowded conditions, so why are you encouraging it for humans?

Apart from the typical sneer post every few.. but that’s typical and I just scroll past these days

Or fleeing countries with pisspoor human rights records, and where their lives and freedom were at risk for opposing the actions of cruel and corrupt governments.

All bar one of the refugee clients I have supported have been in this category,

VAT is an indirect tax, which even the poorest have to pay.

If it is the the tories have nothing to worry about.

Over 70% have their asylum claim upheld once they actually get assessed but don't let facts get in the way of your baseless opinion.

But you can't be a real asylum seeker if you wear trainers.

I wasn't aware that having asylum refused by another country makes it illegal to seek asylum in the UK.

Have you got a link for that, please @Mamamia7962 ?

It's not illegal to cross the channel

Hardly extreme it's what's need to be done years and years ago there are plenty of safe countries for these immigrants to reside in why the uk why us all the time.
Sorry but we are in a heck of a state about time our government were seen to actually be doing something about it and perhaps eventually they can focus on helping out the people in this country the homeless,the thousands of working families struggling to make ends meet that shouldn't have to be using food banks shouldn't have to be struggling to pay bills.
Our over stretched NHS and whilst I can't truly say it's all down to illegal immigrants as let's be honest there are some users in this country that have abused the NHS and happily done so we can barely provide adequate health care to those already living here that's for all kinds of medical issues.

Housing crisis the list is just endless and I guess I'm fed up now when there are other Safe countries they can all go to but yet by mass keep coming here because they know they get everything handed to them and those that don't sadly turn to crimes and then we can't get rid of them because the idiots (meaning the general public) cry and weep they have rights and should stay when they've committed horrendous crimes like rape murder etc.

Er yes it is. It’s called illegal entry, and you are an illegal entrant. But prosecution is automatically waived if you immediately apply as an asylum seeker. Tons of illegal entrants get caught, prosecuted and deported all the time. These are usually international criminals of organised crime though doing their country lines deals.

jgw1 - I was talking about the size of the actual country in relation to population growth. So although Germany's population is larger than ours, in the last 30 years their population has only increased by 4.3 million, whereas UK has increased by over 10 million. Land mass in Germany is 2.3 times larger than the UK.

There's no white paper, there's no legislation, nothing will happen before the next election. And it's not intended to ever happen - it's just empty rhetoric.

It doesn't suit the Government to solve a crisis which plays on voters fears. Certainly without being able to sell "getting Brexit done" they need to develop new tag lines ie "enough is enough" (doesn't that make you wonder what they've been doing for the last 13 years?)

The best way to deal with the crisis is to create safe routes, process some. applications in France and process the back log here much faster ie get it down to 6 months not 2 years. We need many more caseworkers (no 800 isn't enough) Develop returns agreements with countries. Fast track any applications coming from what are classed as safe countries. Boring pragmatic policies which might require a bit of diplomacy but can be implemented quicker and which don't require anyone to waste time "fighting" in Strasbourg.

But none of that is sufficiently headline grabbing and it doesn't fire up their base.

Sorry but we are in a heck of a state about time our government were seen to actually be doing something about it

This is 100% accurate, just not in the way you think it is.

Are you a pollsters?
Here is one's predictions for the next parliament

Green shoots - Labour's lead is below 20 points in quite a few polls - only 15 points in two polls here;
www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

Plenty of time to catch up...

Is it possible for a UN member state to withdraw from a UN convention and remain a member of the UN?

I like polls, so thanks for the link. The consolidated number for all of them comes to 20%

How does Australia implement strict border control, stop the boats and remain part of the UN?

Is it possible for a UN member state to withdraw from a UN convention and remain a member of the UN?

I don't think the UN expels members. And anyway, Russia would veto any attempt to expel the UK. After all, they have invested a lot in us.

However the optics for less reactionary countries wouldn't be great. A country that picks and chooses what international laws that it has previously signed up to is probably not a great place to do business.

Aus is a founding member of the UN so presumably it has managed to stop boats in some way without too much issue in that time. Both parties and voters support where they are.

How many of the people fleeing France head to Sweden?

No idea - but Sweden doesn't sound very welcoming here:

Oct 2023
www.voanews.com/a/new-swedish-government-to-tighten-migration-policy-/6808370.html

Jan 2023 -
www.europeanbusinessreview.eu/page.asp?pid=6601

IClaudine - Even if dosed in vats of ketchup the excess of bile and bitterness would be unpalatable -

Yep, those posters need to go back to their Brexit threads, but apparently it's a slow day on the Brexit board today.

In 1995 a few polls showed Labour had a less than 20% lead, one as low as 15% Look how that turned out almost two years later...

Singapore has a population density of over 8000 people per square kilometre or nearly 30 times that of the UK. Everyone I now from Singapore seems to be perfectly happy living there.