Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

No, I don’t want that either.

We can’t end up in a scenario where unchallenged dictators preside over huge swathes of the Earth while their abandoned populations all flee to a few small pockets of land and build over them, ruining their countryside and ability to farm.

That’s why the men need to stay and liberate their own country while we take care of their families.

Able-bodied young men who can work and pay taxes? Great, we need all the economic growth we can get.

So what’s labour’s solution exactly?

Yep! Aren’t we short of workers? Excellent let’s get them into jobs!

Nope we have plenty of real refugees

You can get this with work visas and a controlled asylum process.

You’ll still need to crack down on smugglers though but stopping boats.

Cracking post, @Crikeyalmighty .

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You realise that not all asylum seekers are fleeing war right?

Norway is also the 3rd richest country in the world by GNI per capita.
U.K. is 25th.

But, yeah we are the rich racist twats for only taking in 15 refugees for every 1 refugee Norway takes in.

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Whether a refugee family has a male adult with it or not, isn’t going to affect the number of houses needed and infrastructure built- roads, schools, hospitals, shops, power plants, etc

DuncinToffee
If you want to know the effects of brexit on small boats, here you go
Academic report says UK’s failure to negotiate post-Brexit returns agreement is main reason for increase in asylum seekers making small boat crossings

Surprise, surprise - the academic who published the report is photographed here with Keir Starmer;
Thom Brooks is a member of the UK’s Labour Party. He is an Executive Committee member of the Society of Labour Lawyers, active in their Constitutional Law, Criminal Law and Immigration Law sub-groups.

www.thombrooks.info/labour-party/

Labour are going to have a surprise (or not) if their immigration adviser thinks Dublin III is so wonderful;

16 Jan 2023
According to Germany's biggest tabloid newspaper Bild Zeitung, in 2022 Germany tried to send back over 68,000 migrants to other EU countries under rules governed by the Dublin accords. The majority of those attempts failed.
Just 4,158 asylum seekers in Germany were sent back to other EU countries where they had first claimed asylum in 2022...

According to the Catholic German news agency KNA, in 2021, Germany issued 10,427 take back requests to Greece, but just one person was actually returned. Germany also issued 6,623 requests to Italy in 2021, and just 287 were taken back.

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/46133/germany-unable-to-send-back-most-migrants-under-dublin-rules

In 2018, the UK received a total of 37,453 asylum applications, and made 5,510 outgoing transfer requests under Dublin III. Of these 5,510 requests, 209 migrants were transferred out of the UK under Dublin III, whilst 1,215 came in, making the UK a net recipient in 2018.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-dublin-iii-regulation-will-it-be-affected-by-brexit/

Great Britain has built on 5.94% of its land. Compared to 27.53% of Germany and 12.38% of France. So stop bleating and get building.

www.demographia.com/db-intlualand.htm

No one is ever willing to map out what Labour intend to do. Always hiding away. This won’t wash during the election.

We all deserve to have a proper policy and an end of people smuggling.

@Springchicken75 since you know so much about the people crossing in small boats, can you explain why over 90% of the people crossing by boat are granted some kind or other of right to remain in the UK? If as you say they are young men looking to boost their finances why doesn't the government return them to where they came from? The rules exist.

Presumably you are similarly critical of men who for example go to the US and get a green card and work there?

No thanks!

I’m sure telling people to get building will work well.

Voters will just choose differently.

Other reasons have been mooted, eg English is the language most commonly spoken as a second language, so less likely to need to learn a new language from scratch, to get support from family members already in UK, to link in with existing communities from their country of origin.

Given that asylum seekers aren't entitled to claim benefits in the UK, I think all of the above are more likely to be true than your suggestion, which is based on a misapprehension.

Prediction: Labour will win the election and you'll conveniently disappear from this forum and/or change your username. Just like a slew of boris bots did.

They burn their passports and pretend to be children.

I think not on both counts!

@Springchicken75 what's the difference between a real and an unreal refugee?

They burn their passports and pretend to be children.

So the people crossing in small boats have passports ?

Every day is a learning day, it really is.

*Great Britain has built on 5.94% of its land. Compared to 27.53% of Germany and 12.38% of France. So stop bleating and get building.^

France's national stats body INSEE reported that there are 3.4 million second homes in France, one in ten of all housing units.

Vive la révolution!

Would now be a good time to point out that the population of Norway is about 14 times smaller than that of the UK?