Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

[LadyGAgain]

Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

The best way to do this is to stop people paying for their services. So if they don’t get what they paid for , others won’t pay them. It’s a sad cycle but I fear for all those trying to cross the sea like that, so many have drowned including babies and children.

The government are recruiting an additional 800 asylum decision makers at an annual cost of £22million.
The government currently spends £1270million on hotel bills for asylum seekers, who if the government let them, could work and pay their own way.

Don’t you want it to stop though? Australia has done it so not impossible.

I found the event near Italy distressing. Did you hear about it? What they did to the people and children to try to make it.

I’d take stopping boat routes and setting up others. However I doubt it won’t have numbers attached though which is the hard part. There would need to be an idea of how many and who meets the criteria and what you do if it’s vastly over.

I’m not sure if posters are advocating no limit or not.

Yes but most of them are economic migrants, not asylum seekers. The UK isn't the first safe country for any legitimate refugee.

Syria's population is about 21million. Ukraines is about 42million.

Why do you think most Syrian's wouldn't go back to Syria "when the time comes"?

Most of these people speak poor English, so to make sure they are treated fairly translators need to be used. There is a shortage of translators in certain languages/dialects.
Getting a meeting set up with an asylum seeker, a translator, an assessor and a solicitor is a logistical nightmare.
They need to be fingerprinted and the results checked against as many databases as possible world-wide - this takes time.
They usually take place at a specific centre so there will be travelling time to be factored in.
The meeting will be recorded and the minutes written up and entered in the person's file. This will need to services of a shorthand audio-typist

if we had a proper system in place the hotels wouldn’t be needed.
So when 80 people arrive on a boat, where would you put them?

I'm curious to know how you would speed it up? I'm sure HM Government would love your input.

Most of who are economic migrants not asylum seekers?
Around 90% of those who arrive in the UK on small boats are granted some kind of right to stay in the UK.

No group of immigrants/asylum seekers have come to the UK and then gone home again en masse a few years later. It's never happened in the past so I don't see why it would happen now.

Well that is good. We need people to come here and work.

Is that right? I thought there was quite an exodus after Brexit, or was that something else made up by the press?

This is shocking I'm all for excluding them from the some of the benefits of the system if they come from a safe country I.e france but they should be allowed to try and make a life here. To be fair I would pay more tax to cover their benefits aslong as it didn't go to the lazy brits who don't want to work. Most asylum seeker I have meet, want to work which is better than some people born here.

Likewise, @Blossomtoes . 😊

If they can't speak English, have no skills and have a different culture how can we be sure they can do that?

It's not working in Germany ; www.politico.eu/article/germany-passes-controversial-migration-law/

Is that article not discussing deportation after their claim is assessed?

It does seem to me to be discussing a law that would make it more straight forward to remove asylum seekers whose claims were turned down and make it easier for those waiting for decisions to work.

I am struggling to understand what is controversial about it.

Yes and that is one stumbling black here - getting rid of failed asylum seekers.

There are some nuggets of information amongst this Guardian crap - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/22/nine-in-10-people-refused-asylum-in-2020-free-to-remain-in-uk-home-office

Grumpybutfunny - Here we go again with the insults about lazy Brits not wanting to work. It's not that simple. It's our benefit system which needs a complete overhaul. It pays more for say a single parent to work 16 hours a week and have their income topped up with benefits than it would for that person to work full time. That isn't right.

You make a strong argument that employers should pay a proper wage. A significant rise in NMW is in order.

How many failed asylum seekers does the article say should have been removed in 2020?

That's precisely why it takes so long @Threelefthands , on one hand we are criticising the authorities for not vetting the police properly and on the other we have pp saying processing people is taking too long and they should be allowed to work as carers in the mean time, madness
There was talk a while ago of buying up old cruise ships and holding people at sea whilst they were being processed, not sure what happened to that

Do you think it would take longer or shorter to process an asylum seeker if they were held on a cruise ship and then had to be brought ashore each time any step of the processing needed to take place?

As usual, MN posters (or a lot of them) are seeing this through a ‘champagne socialist’ lens where they insist the tab should be picked up by the Tories, the magic money tree and the big corporations which will apparently hang around in the U.K. if we tax them more even though they’re already leaving.

Nobody has been able to explain to me why, having crossed through several safe and wealthy countries, these people are then willing to risk their lives and their children’s to cross to the U.K. Something about having friends here or a cousin? Really, you would risk your kid’s life for that? It’s bloody stupid, and I don’t think the U.K. should be taking on moral responsibility for these foolhardy and mad decisions.

Secondly, 90% of them are men. 90%! I don’t want to be offering asylum to overwhelmingly men. To me, women and children are the most vulnerable in conflict, I would much rather take them first as per Ukraine. If their home country is so incredibly dangerous they’re forced to leave and seek asylum, why are their wives and kids okay to stay there unaccompanied for another year+ while the bloke makes a run for it? Sorry, it speaks volumes about how they see the value of their women’s and children’s lives.

It’s fashionable to try to excuse away the above but if the U.K. was to descend into conflict tomorrow, there is absolutely no way DH would make a run for it without our daughter (and me!). No way. We would rather live in a safe and wealthy ‘second choice’ country together than two of us be left behind to face it while DH bunks off to somewhere which allegedly has more generous benefits.

Finally, while I don’t live in an area of high refugees, I really feel for those who do. It’s all very well the champagne/Prosecco socialists on here instructing everyone else to take these men, but if it was announced the houses across their nice street were to be made refugee HMOs they would hate it. There is a reason those who are living next to this chaos are the ones objecting, and I have every sympathy with them.

I was very happy to take Ukrainian refugees, I would be very happy to take virtually any number of Syrian/Afghan child refugees although I would want a safe route set up to get them here. But grown men who have run off and left them to face whatever enemy is so bad that they cannot stay themselves? Nope. Flame me 🤷🏼‍♀️

It is just another example of never-going-to-happen populist blether from the Tories

We need to put out the message in their countries of origin that we will only be accepting women and child refugees, we need to set up pick-up points in countries across mainland Europe where we can collect them. And that men need not apply because they won’t be accepted. They can stay and make an effort to free their own country like the Ukrainians, knowing their family are safe and looked after 🤷🏼‍♀️

No idea @jgw1 just saying what was bantered around
I expect so too @IClaudine