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Why are so many women putting up with ghastly husbands/partners?

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Dottymug · 04/03/2023 22:26

It's the 21st century. Women have so many more opportunities and choices than they had in the past. So why are so many women posting on here about being sworn at, insulted, betrayed and treated as slaves by men who they've no intention of leaving/chucking out? It's utterly depressing. Don't put up with that shit. Life is too short.

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Iusethem · 05/03/2023 10:05

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SquirrelSoShiny · 05/03/2023 10:06

Fairislefandango · 04/03/2023 22:44

Because they are trapped and/or because they had a traumatic past or a difficult or abusive upbringing with a lack of modelling of healthy relationships.

This. Economics plays a big part too of course but if you didn't grow up with healthy boundaries you are more at risk of undervaluing your own worth.

But economics matter too. And for the smuggers posting: don't be TOO smug. Lots of women are financially independent until they're not. Disability can hit hard and fast and suddenly your earning potential can disappear equally hard and fast. All the years of savings will only get you so far.

Tidsleytiddy · 05/03/2023 10:07

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100 per cent. Staying for the house. Pretending there is any sort of relationship. Papering over the cracks of having married a twat

Botw1 · 05/03/2023 10:08

The answer to why aren't we raising men to be better is in all the reasons why women don't leave.

The cycle is just repeated

SquirrelSoShiny · 05/03/2023 10:09

OverTheRubicon · 04/03/2023 23:07

Anyone who thinks this stuff is straightforward has an incredibly lucky life, and a very lacking imagination.

SO MANY of the women you're taking about will have said before the relationship that 'if a man did [X] I'd just leave'. And then when you're 35 weeks pregnant he does - but you're due so soon, and he's sobbing with guilt and saying he wants to die, and you know how he can be really kind and how he's had to grow up with abuse himself, and for the next weeks he's really trying, so kind to you and not even drinking - way better than your own dad, who never even felt bad about it. Your mum says so too, and she's worried about how you'll cope as a single new mum, so you agree it's out of character and stay.

Then it happens the second time months later, and you think about going, but he's been really stressed because the baby's not sleeping, and you're on statutory maternity pay and have run through your savings, and you're also really scared that if things got mean, your post-natal depression would be brought up in court and you'd lose your baby. So you stay.

Then for a while he's got a new job, and for a good while it's just like the old days, and suddenly you're pregnant with #2. He's drinking again in the evenings and it makes him short tempered, but bad morning sickness means you do appreciate him 'helping' with your toddler, who also absolutely idolises him. Your work doesn't take your frequent absences well though, and they tell you that your role is redundant (they say it's nothing at all to do with pregnancy, of course). He loves having you home, and has loads of expectations and advice about how you need to care for it and your kids, and isn't keen on visitors, and gets really anxious and grumpy when you go out, so your world is getting smaller. Still no savings as he sees all your spending. Hard to go back to work, as he points out you'd barely be making £30 a week after childcare, and it's not like he can help much with the school run.
You think about leaving sometimes, but you couldn't afford a house nearby, and he'd pay for a good lawyer while you don't have any savings, your eldest adores him and would be devastated - also his temper is bad enough that you think maybe it's better if you're there to keep things calm. You're not perfect either, sometimes you've called him names too, and he says you're the abusive one, with your control-freakery about housework and drinking. Maybe if you're a better wife, this will sort out.

He's charming, none of his family or mates would believe it, and he has the money to get legal help. You'd miss him, too, in between the bad moments he makes you laugh and you didn't go into marriage to be like this. He didn't either, you know he was damaged himself. And that's before all the logistical and social problems that terrify you about being a single mum.

Superb post 👏

LlynTegid · 05/03/2023 10:14

Economics have been mentioned.

I'd add the law is inadequate and biased in favour of the non-resident parent when it comes to separation and divorce, and does not reward reasonable behaviour when it comes to access (or punish unreasonable behaviour).

I think also there is too much stigma on being single, be you a parent or not, and so this leads to many people entering or remaining in bad relationships.

Uutu · 05/03/2023 10:15

I'm not saying finances don't impact but not only reason.
I stayed with someone BAD longer than I should because:

  1. I've got low self esteem and he was nice to me
  2. He could be at points nice
  3. I was lonely
  4. Dating is really hard
  5. I had invested in it
  6. I was emotionally attached Anyway I ended it eventually when he did something really rubbish but...
  7. I've got my own money
  8. He picked someone up straight away.

She's better than him him, no doubt, but there's loads of reasons and it's judgemental to wonder why women stay.

Iusethem · 05/03/2023 10:18

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Zanatdy · 05/03/2023 10:18

29052022J · 04/03/2023 23:03

On mat leave and going back to work soon (fully paid of 9 months) However my salary would not cover mortgage, utilities and childcare if I was to be a single parent. Do I fancy a life on benefits until my child starts school, no. Even if I was to rent a small flat to be close to my parents I would not be able to make ends meet - this is the reality for many women.

you could get universal credit. If you’re working still you just get top up benefits and help with childcare (depending on income). No you won’t be as well off as in a 2 income family but there’s no reason to put up with abusive (physically or verbally) men

Changechangechanging · 05/03/2023 10:20

well, you have your answers right here, OP. Judgement. This thread is full of it. We are socialised to believe in true love and perfect families. Anything else is judged - you were stupid, wrong, I’ll-advised. Decisions which in a given moment seemed reasonable become problematic when a relationship makes inevitable shifts and changes.

And there’s huge stigma to single parenting. Huge. I’ve been doing it for nearly 15 years. I have heard it all. People can’t help themselves but speak their judgement to your face.

SweetSakura · 05/03/2023 10:22

Changechangechanging · 05/03/2023 10:20

well, you have your answers right here, OP. Judgement. This thread is full of it. We are socialised to believe in true love and perfect families. Anything else is judged - you were stupid, wrong, I’ll-advised. Decisions which in a given moment seemed reasonable become problematic when a relationship makes inevitable shifts and changes.

And there’s huge stigma to single parenting. Huge. I’ve been doing it for nearly 15 years. I have heard it all. People can’t help themselves but speak their judgement to your face.

Exactly. Endless, stupid,. judgement.

Hairmouse · 05/03/2023 10:29

I think marriage and/ or having children is a challenging situation and one that most people aren’t prepared for. I was made to go on a marriage preparation course as I got married in a church. At the time I massively resented but it’s turned out to be useful. We were made to talk about all the boring details like attitudes to housework, money and disciplining children. Both DH are committed to family life and want it to work. It’s not perfect but it’s worth it. I think many men don’t actually want children or enjoy family life. They want to be looked after by women and have the status of a family man. Many women want children and are prepared to look past this. It ends up shit for women!

Iusethem · 05/03/2023 10:29

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BeautifulWar · 05/03/2023 10:33

Oh and because we teach girls that bagging a man and having kids is the ultimate goal that must be achieved

Yep. It's part of the reason why there is vitriol levelled at 'older mothers', because of the attitude that you win the race by securing a man by a certain deadline, even if he is a stinking pile of shit.

I think a lot of behaviors have been modelled by our parents/grandparents generation and are accepted as normal - particularly roles within a household. It may well be the 21st century, we may know that men should pull their weight with housework and childcare but some of that knowledge is undermined subliminally but what we've seen and ingested from our own childhoods and societal norms.

It will take time and effort for things to really change.

Ncgirlseriously · 05/03/2023 10:36

Red flags are easy to spot in hindsight, not so much in the moment. Also, people change, or they don’t. Perfectly normal boyfriend behaviour at 18 becomes a red flag when years later he hasn’t matured. Little relationship bumps become things that “obviously” should have tipped you off.

And yeah, judgement. Mumsnet is full of women who are all too pleased to ask why I didn’t foresee my ex turning out the way he did. Because if you’re not psychic you’re just not trying hard enough.

Also I think our patriarchal society does a lot of work scaring women about ending up ALONE, so women are scared of the mere idea. I was afraid of being alone, and it’s the best thing that ever happened to me. I may never date again.

TrishM80 · 05/03/2023 10:40

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Shush, you're not allowed mention that here!

Fact is, a lot of younger women are sexually attracted to arrogant, selfish twats (the "bad boy" to use that hackneyed term) and find the quiet, mild mannered, dependable chap in the corner "boring".

Then are oh so shocked when the arrogant selfish twat they were attracted to in their 20s turns out to be an arrogant selfish twat of a husband!

Dottymug · 05/03/2023 10:41

It makes me so sad that so many women feel trapped in their awful relationships, particularly by finances. Infidelity and verbal and emotional abuse aren't just 'niggles'. We need to talk about this without name-calling.

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Sandra1984 · 05/03/2023 10:42

Women are putting up with crap because of a)money and/or b) children and c) fear of the unknown.

SquirrelSoShiny · 05/03/2023 10:46

TrishM80 · 05/03/2023 10:40

Shush, you're not allowed mention that here!

Fact is, a lot of younger women are sexually attracted to arrogant, selfish twats (the "bad boy" to use that hackneyed term) and find the quiet, mild mannered, dependable chap in the corner "boring".

Then are oh so shocked when the arrogant selfish twat they were attracted to in their 20s turns out to be an arrogant selfish twat of a husband!

Imagine if the 'quiet dependable chap in the corner' turned out to be an abusive fuckhead, only smart enough to be covert about it until they had you trapped!

Ikr! Mind blown!

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Ncgirlseriously · 05/03/2023 10:48

Oh wow now we’re busting out “nice guys finish last” rhetoric. 😂😂😂

WhatsNewPussyCatty · 05/03/2023 10:48

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Mine certainly put on an excellent act. At first, everything was perfect between us - for months and months. He was the man of my dreams - my gift from heaven. I now know this was the 'love-bombing' period of our courtship. Then, the early red flags appeared. To me, they seemed to be minor disagreements which we (I thought) overcame easily with discussion and humour. I thought it was natural for a couple to have differing views from time to time, but as long as they were resolved it would continue to be fine between us.

These red flags didn't become proper concerns to me until it was too late, years down the line. After we'd gotten married (which was 2.5 years after we'd met). They got much worse once we had kids together (about 7 years after we married). The mask has truly slipped now.

Now, he's charming AF to everyone outside of our family. Self deprecating, kind, thoughtful, considerate, appreciative, etc. That's hard to swallow when he is unreasonable, argumentative, selfish, bullying oaf to me and, to a lesser extent, to our teenage kids, at home. Not always, but too often. Together, we 'manage' his tantrums. Not ideal, I know.

In the past he was often flirty (overly charming) with other women in front of me. This has stopped now (in front of me at least) but only on my repeated strong insistence.

I now know I'm married to a gaslighting narcissist and that this is typical of how they operate. My kids have the measure of him and his sort too.

Every day I try to plan how I will leave him and always draw a blank. I cannot make it work. And he WILL make sure any divorce I instigate will be as messy and painful as it can possibly get so my exit plan needs to be slick.

Spectre8 · 05/03/2023 10:49

On another thread, some women are saying well if you want to have more money have a partner and its your fault if your still single. Basically marry anyone and put up with shit and you can get that house

This is women telling other women this. No wonder we are in a mess about this

MissHoneysHappyEnding · 05/03/2023 10:50

@TrishM80 imagine if you said the same about rape? Or becoming a victim of a scam?
Why is domestic abuse somehow supposed to be so easy to spot? Or financial abuse? Or emotional abuse. I know many super smart women who have fallen victim to abuse in the context of intimate relationships. It's so easy to be manipulated or to lose track of what's normal. Not to mention societal pressure to procreate and have a family. Plus financial pressure. Plus women just generally being put under more pressure to please others and be reliable.
It's no use blaming individual women when everything is so against us being unable to leave troubled relationships and thrive afterwards.
Honestly a man cheating and running off with OW/OM is met with less judgement than a woman leaving the family home because she is unhappy. Because men are biological, primal beings right? And women are nurturers? The world very much has not moved on from this.
You should hear the judgment of single mums who
Go out
Date
Go on holiday without the kids
Get their nails done
Take annual leave when the kids are at school
Work part time or dont work

ZoZoisresting · 05/03/2023 10:52

5128gap · 05/03/2023 08:10

Of course it's gender specific. There are centuries of history and a whole societal context that make the experience of being a woman entirely different from the experience of being a man. Switching genders on these type of questions adds nothing to the understanding of the question raised in the post, its simply an attempt to mask the problem behind a pretence that 'women are as bad. Male bad behaviour in relationships and wider society is an entirely different, more serious and far reaching issue.

@5128gap

When it comes to serious violence perhaps. But as far as just being a shitty person, name calling, emotional abuse etc - it’s just as serious and far reaching with women as men and it just avoiding responsibility because it’s easier to lay it on men to suggest otherwise

WandaWonder · 05/03/2023 10:54

I do think we only hear one side of stories, the wife can say what they want about the husband for example

But can be omitting their part I nthe marriage

He could be the worse husband in the world, or something in between

But I have seen lots of examples of if the situation is true the wife comes across as controlling

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