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To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

919 replies

flashbac · 03/03/2023 20:20

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

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EsmaCannonball · 05/03/2023 21:13

The same people who want everything covered in trigger warnings and think children will be eternally corrupted or traumatised by George's Marvellous Medicine also think that children being exposed to adult kinks and sexualised adult entertainment is progressive and inclusive. There's an endgame here.

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2023 21:32

Children who witness kink culture are reassured that alternative experiences of sexuality and expression are valid — no matter who they become as they mature, helping them recognize that their personal experiences aren’t bad or wrong, and that they aren’t alone in their experiences.

Does that woman have no fucking clue at all that this 'openess' and 'anything goes' is actually setting their children up for being sexual coerced and abused and being clueless anything is Fucking wrong.

Boiledbeetle · 05/03/2023 21:35

We don’t talk to our children enough about pursuing sex to fulfill carnal needs that delight and captivate us in the moment.

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Straightsidedcircle · 05/03/2023 22:12

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mycatisaloveabledemon · 05/03/2023 22:17

Why would I want to talk to my ten year old son about persuing sex to fulfill carnal desires etc

He's 10. He doesn't even have a sex drive yet.

The only people advocating this shit are ones that believe in shit like children being able to enjoy sex with adults - what's the word? Paedophilia

XelaM · 05/03/2023 22:48

I still think this is the best comment: Ones who are so "open minded" that their brains have fallen out.

The world has just gone fucking mad.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2023 00:06

Delphinium20 · Today 19:57

A quote from this mother. She tells us exactly what she thinks and it's strikingly similar to what the earlier poster Der Spiegel article detailed about sexualizing children in Germany in the 70s.

"Including kink in Pride opens space for families to have necessary and powerful conversations with young people about health, safety, consent, and — most uniquely — pleasure. Kink visibility is a reminder that any person can and should shamelessly explore what brings joy and excitement. We don’t talk to our children enough about pursuing sex to fulfill carnal needs that delight and captivate us in the moment. Sharing the language of kink culture with young people provides them with valuable information about safe sex practices — such as the importance of establishing boundaries, safe words and signals, affirming the importance of planning and research and the need to seek and give enthusiastic consent. I never want my children to worry that exploring any aspect of consensual sex or touch is too taboo."

It is all rubbish. I bet she isn’t living in a state of perpetual ecstasy but more an emptiness of an always fed but never satisfied hunger that needs more and more. Sex for sex’s sake without a relationship is nothing but a cause
for starvation and ravenousness. No wonder they need to krank up with kink to feel anything at all.

And she, and these Queering creeps, think that the magic key to a fulfilled life is to push children into this loveless state as soon as possible. They just can’t bear their free innocence.

She isn’t teaching her children about establishing boundaries, she is breaking theirs.

MrsJamin · 06/03/2023 08:52

I have had some conversations with people about DQST lately, one person who has been reading far too much about the drag bans in America, her first argument was that drag queens need to make money somehow. I am utterly floored by this argument and despair all over again where we are heading.

TheKeatingFive · 06/03/2023 09:10

her first argument was that drag queens need to make money somehow.

I've heard this before and it's totally bizarre. Why should the adult entertainment sector be propped up by babies and toddlers?

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 09:17

Calm down. It's some people dancing in fancy dress. Everyone has an arse fgs. It's not much different to a panto.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/03/2023 09:19

drag queens need to make money somehow.

The make-up, wigs, fake eyelashes and sequin body suits do come off you know!

Boiledbeetle · 06/03/2023 09:19

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 09:17

Calm down. It's some people dancing in fancy dress. Everyone has an arse fgs. It's not much different to a panto.

Calm down??

NO

Ourladycheesusedatum · 06/03/2023 09:51

geekone · 04/03/2023 23:10

You know it’s fake right?

you came on here touting a possible agendas, maybe? But it’s well
know to be fake. It’s not even a good fake.

I am hoping it’s just innocent naïveté, or you have come here spouting shit to get people all wound up.

let me spell it out, just in case you missed it. FAKE!!

This is very obviously satire.
Not even good satire

Let me spell it out for you SATIRE

See I too can make bold claims with nothing to back it up.

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2023 10:12

Everyone has an arse fgs

Well, crikey.

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2023 10:13

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 09:17

Calm down. It's some people dancing in fancy dress. Everyone has an arse fgs. It's not much different to a panto.

Genuine question - are there any forms of adult entertainment that you think should not be shown to babies/children?

Murraydeservedit · 06/03/2023 10:21

For all those saying it’s no different to a panto have you actually seen any videos of drag queen story times?

They aren’t just sitting down reading a book. They are gyrating all over the shop.
No child needs to see that.

If you think it’s the same as Christopher Biggins in a wig playing an ugly sister, then you are beyond help.

Murraydeservedit · 06/03/2023 10:23

MrsJamin · 06/03/2023 08:52

I have had some conversations with people about DQST lately, one person who has been reading far too much about the drag bans in America, her first argument was that drag queens need to make money somehow. I am utterly floored by this argument and despair all over again where we are heading.

Here’s an idea ….. wipe the make up off and try and get some shifts in a shop?

That was such a ridiculous comment, wasn’t it.

Murraydeservedit · 06/03/2023 10:30

I had a conversation about all this with someone yesterday. Someone who is waaaaay more open minded and cooler than me, the old bigot that I am.

I said that if my 8 year old dd was taken to a drag performance (spoiler - she wouldn’t be), I know she would actually be confused and probably quite frightened. She would on some level know it was sexual content beyond what she could comprehend. The confusion and fear would come because she wouldn’t be to understand those feelings. It’s not something I would ever consider putting her through. Putting her in that situation would be abuse in my eyes.

I was told that in that case, I’d raised her wrong and that I should look at my parenting.

Nah. I think I am doing just fine.

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2023 10:32

If this is fine then should children be allowed to go to strip clubs, pole dancing shows, lap dancing clubs?

If not, what's the difference?

Somebodiesmother · 06/03/2023 10:34

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 09:17

Calm down. It's some people dancing in fancy dress. Everyone has an arse fgs. It's not much different to a panto.

Everyone does indeed have a bum, as I regularly tell my three year old when she wanders round singing "Bum, bum, bum!" and laughing. That doesn't mean it's ok for her to have eyefulls of random people's arse.

TheBiologyStupid · 06/03/2023 10:47

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 09:17

Calm down. It's some people dancing in fancy dress. Everyone has an arse fgs. It's not much different to a panto.

JFC! I don't know what pantos you've seen, but the ugly sisters' hairy arses didn't in feature in the ones I've watched.

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 10:51

What's the difference to them watching RuPaul's drag race? Which is on before the watershed.

A drag show is not a sex show. It's acting, comedy, clowning, dancing, face painting, dressing up, music, bright colours.

I personally want to promote self expression and body confidence and tolerance of personal choices with my children. Not that my toddler would prob even notice it was a man dressed in feminine clothes. None of those kids seem phased or upset.

I don't personally enjoy drag shows but I don't see anything wrong with it either. I think there can be some misogyny with drag - eg taking the piss out of women. I would be wayyy more annoyed about that than a bare bum dancing. As long as it was clean.

Boiledbeetle · 06/03/2023 10:53

What's the difference to them watching RuPaul's drag race? Which is on before the watershed.

They shouldn't be watching it. If it has to be on it should be on after the watershed. Just because the TV executives have lost their minds as well still doesnt make it OK.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 06/03/2023 10:53

winningeasy · 06/03/2023 10:51

What's the difference to them watching RuPaul's drag race? Which is on before the watershed.

A drag show is not a sex show. It's acting, comedy, clowning, dancing, face painting, dressing up, music, bright colours.

I personally want to promote self expression and body confidence and tolerance of personal choices with my children. Not that my toddler would prob even notice it was a man dressed in feminine clothes. None of those kids seem phased or upset.

I don't personally enjoy drag shows but I don't see anything wrong with it either. I think there can be some misogyny with drag - eg taking the piss out of women. I would be wayyy more annoyed about that than a bare bum dancing. As long as it was clean.

So all those posts explaining why this is A VERY BAD IDEA just wasted on you right.

How to say I have no boundaries, my children also have no boundaries and wouldnt know when they were being abused and no I did not read the thread, but it's ok cos I'm cool.

GoodChat · 06/03/2023 10:54

What's the difference to them watching RuPaul's drag race? Which is on before the watershed.

I wouldn't let my children watch that either, because I'm not a shite parent.

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