To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

[flashbac]

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

I wonder how many of the 15% think this is fake.

(Just trying to make myself feel better about that vote.)

Exactly. The stated aim, I think it was from the American DQST is to use drag to embed Queer Theory into society as far as possible.

Queer Theory is about breaking down the normal family unit and removing sexual boundaries especially around age (!).

Obviously, undermining parental responsibility also undermines safeguarding - parents are generally the people that care most about the child and will try and keep them safe. We already see schools with activist teachers undermining parental responsibility by helping students ‘socially transition’ without their parent’s knowledge or consent.

As the Cass review has found, social transition is not a neutral act - it sets the child on a path to medical transition and makes it harder for them to desist naturally.

Pushing the boundaries on what is deemed acceptable behaviour around children is part of the QT focus. Grooming adults to accept ever escalating levels of sexual behaviour around children means tgag children are less protected.

We have seen the Pride events encouraging ‘furries’ and BDSM practitioner to join the parade. ‘Furries’ are porn soaked men with sexual fetishes that may include wearing nappies (diaper furries) or pretending to be babies (littles) while they masturbate or have sex.

The cutesy images associated with this are designed to be attractive to children.

We have photos of the police dancing and posing with furries and if children interacting with them at stalls they set up with games and glitter. Some of these men interacting with children are wearing butt plugs (as tails for their furry outfit) and have obvious erections. The adults/parents around them seem to have no issue as their ‘creep radar’ has been disabled by grooming.

The behaviour that should have seen arrests and the event being shut down for public indecency and sexual behaviour in front of children is waved on smilingly by those who should be protecting children.

I’m glad your creep radar is fully functioning Carrie, we’re going to need a huge collective effort to re-establish societal disgust at men displaying their fetishes in public and to children.

This thread might have attracted some visitors from Twitter who are heavily invested in the removal of normal boundaries around sex and children.

geekone

have no agenda here, I am not in England I am not a drag artist or trans or even LGBTQ however I am also not fucking stupid.

It's absolutely not fake, as the organisers and many of the attending mothers have stated. TRA zealots on Twitter are lying through their teeth, coming up with all sorts of fantastic "explanations" to pretend they are fake.

You may not be an idiot, but you're extremely naive.

I've had a bit of a shock as I actually know two of the people on those photos 😬

Omg. Have you let them know?

@stbrandonsboat could know the performers rather than the parents!

But if it is the parents, do you know them well enough to ask WTF they were thinking as they sat there looking at a man’s arse with a baby on their lap, or are you just going to give them a Hard Paddington Stare at the school gate tomorrow?

There are at least two mums in the photos who have facial expressions along the lines of ‘Actually, I WOULD rather be singing about buses or bobbins or monkeys and I’m NEVER going to forgive Emily for arranging a block booking for our NCT group’ so maybe you could get them to do an anonymous Mumsnet AMA? 😂

I know the parents as they go to my church 🤦

I don't know what to think actually. It's knocked me sick.

I would consider seeking spiritual guidance from your pastor or whatever leader you have

@geekone can you tell us about the pub that’s being targeted?

You must be thinking of a completely different story to the one discussed on this thread but there ARE an awful lot of bring-your-baby-to-the-pub-to-meet-a-drag-queen events popping up so maybe you just muddled them up?

Especially as you don’t even live in England.

London had 3544 pubs in 2018 (most recent statistics) and if you’ve never lived there you might not have a grasp of this?

www.statista.com/statistics/777613/london-pub-numbers-by-borough-uk-united-kingdom/

Ngl, that IS a surprise!

Although I, an atheist, once took communion due to an embarrassing combo of British politeness and social awkwardness so perhaps it’s possible that your fellow congregants have found themselves in a similar position, just in reverse?

Perhaps your church leader could write an emergency sermon with some sort of child
protective theme?

What WOULD Jesus do if invited to a baby drag event with a BDSM themed performer?

Jesus wouldn't like it. He made His views on child protection very clear.

I don't know what goes on in people's minds 😢

It's definitely the Left, white, educated, middle classes who are falling for this degradation. Are they learning these attitudes in Universities or from reading The Guardian?

I used to be a Leftie. Now I discover I'm an extremist right wing fascist all because I want children to be protected.

I just want to dig a hole and go live there instead.

That’s definitely a ‘talk to the vicar/minister’, or if you’ve got a safeguarding lead, you could also ask them about it.

It may be that the parents had no idea what the show was going to be like and were too embarrassed to leave, but a heads up for the pastoral/safeguarding people would be a good thing.

That is SUCH a good point, GromblesofGrimbledon!

It is worth repeating:

"Anyone coming on here saying it's fake is admitting that they think it's not ok to have events like this for babies and toddlers.

Otherwise they'd be saying "this is fake, but what a marvellous idea. I hope someone organises an event like this."

Your eagerness to prove it's fake shows that you know a line has been crossed."

@RichardBarrister.. Thanks for that post and all the others explaining this

And just to add - if you’ve recognised them, other people may have as well. At the very least they’re going to need an ‘are you all right?’ pastoral call. Best if that comes from the minster/Vicar.

I agree.

In some ways, it’s good that the people you have recognised are fellow members of an organisation with a clear hierarchy and you can approach the leaders/bosses of that hierarchy confidentially.

If the parents were just people you saw around your neighbourhood it would be more difficult to know what steps you could take.

Perhaps the parents are already filled with regret and have a new understanding of why this wasn’t acceptable and if not, then hopefully your vicar/priest/pastor will be able to get through to them (or report onwards if there are ongoing safeguarding concerns).

I reckon most of the parents are just a bit naive/dim and have fallen for the ‘diversity and inclusion’ angle.
They now need some supportive unprogramming because (best case scenario) even if Carabararave WAS all just a spectacular misjudgement/collective madness affecting venue staff, organisers, performers and ticket buyers, sexual predators DO use similar techniques to target children (get the parents onside and once the parents’ barriers are down, the kid becomes a much easier target, hence all the horror stories about scout leaders, sports coaches, celebrities, priests etc).

Whether this was just a mass case of spectacular misjudgement or something more sinister is for the authorities to figure out. Hopefully all the press attention will force them to properly look at the whole thing.

I'd rather be a rude billy no mates than to passively subject my child to that.

Me too.

Plus there is always the ‘I think I left the iron on’ hasty-exit excuse for the truly conflict-averse.

People aren't still trying to say it's fake, are they?! There's pictures all over social media, different angles, videos, the performers' own social media, archives, etc.

Does this mean that people find it unfeasibly outrageous?

Did they go for a laugh or for sexual gratification?

Regardless of their intentions the effect on the children is the same.

Not really, and I think this thread is actually skirting around the issue.

People go to events like that for sexual gratification, end of. It doesn’t matter where those events are held or what socioeconomic demographic the audience fall into. These people knowingly involved their children in an event that people were attending to get sexual gratification. Why should we immediately assume they are all naive and give them an excuse to hide behind? I bet most of them are educated professionals.

All of them are guilty of child exploitation at the very least, if not paedophilia.

if i saw someone I recognised on the photos :

I know if it was a neighbour "If be very "WTF! You know your face is all over photos of a baby show that's been labelled online and I the press as sexual child abuse don't you?" But then I'm not exactly subtle!

If it was family or a friend it would be "Have you lost your Fucking mind? What the fuck where you thinking??"

Church? Who knows. It's not my thing.