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To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

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flashbac · 03/03/2023 20:20

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

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Dignorantonio · 04/03/2023 07:33

I know a few mums like the daft she/her (I’m presuming) grinning idiots in the photo who would think they were just terribly progressive and open minded taking their babies to this.

I wonder if these silly women are quite so pleased with themselves now that their stupidity has been exposed for everyone to see.

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 07:34

MaidOfSteel · 04/03/2023 07:28

Irs absolutely vile, isn't it. What are these parents thinking.

I read an excellent article relating this kind of thing to queer theory and it does seem to be, ultimately, about breaking down all boundaries when it comes to sex, so normalising sex between adults and children & babies, maybe even animals. If I can find the article, I'll post a link.

People in cults do strange things.

The national polls match this one, 15% of the population are Queer theory believers. They will harm their children for the ideology.

You look at those who never left Afghanistan, those who joined the NAZIs, those who sent their pregnant daughters to Magdalene laundry and believe that those people don't exist anymore yet here we are.

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 04/03/2023 07:36

Why do a previous person think these people are trans?? And that if we object to men hairy buttock in the faces of babies we are transphobic?

and another poster think objecting is homophobic ? How on earth can you tell sexual orientation from a photo?

how about, almost naked men should not shove their body parts in babies’s faces? And caregivers allowing this whilst getting tipsy/drunk on cheap booze should have a visit from social services?

LindorDoubleChoc · 04/03/2023 07:38

Yanbu at all. I started a thread on this subject a few days ago. The world's gone mad. My least favourite response to my objections is "if you don't like it, don't take your child to see it, simple" so bloody stupid, trite and smug.

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Lost me here

nilsmousehammer · 04/03/2023 07:45

I find it useful to apply the thought experiment that library did when they changed the poster:

"Males in burlesque women's clothing want to do sexualised dancing and stripping to your children hour".

What is the role of the mothers and babies here? Is it for them to enjoy? Or are they primarily there to provide a lovely experience of attention and validation to the performers?

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 07:47

15% of the population isn't personality disordered, not all of those women are low IQ, one person said that they recognised one from work. Why are white women following this cult? I am thinking how can you safeguard their children?

knittingaddict · 04/03/2023 07:47

I can only imagine the contempt that the performers hold those women in. I don't suppose that crossed their tiny minds when they took their babies to that event.

ShakespearesBlister · 04/03/2023 07:49

SunShineAllMine · 03/03/2023 21:58

Ginger hair children, left handed children, bespectacled children, disabled children and and many other children suffer bullying or teasing at school.

I view people as humans of equal value.

I don't worship a certain group of people, I know about 15% of the population do and they view them as a sacred caste of more special humans, they have to accept that not everyone else does and never will worship their Quazi Gods, equality law gives us freedoms.

Being ginger or left handed hardly carries the same social stigma as being gay.

nilsmousehammer · 04/03/2023 07:50

another poster think objecting is homophobic ?

Yes, this. ^^

Please, please do not confuse this shit with being gay.

We spent bloody decades trying to get society to believe that our being homosexual meant we were as appropriate and safe to be around as any other normal person. Being gay does not involve pushing sexualised shit and boundary breaking, please don't conflate homosexuality with questionable behaviour. There's probably gay women amongst the mums on the floor who have managed to keep all their clothes on and their anatomy out of other people's faces and you'd never know they were gay.

Trying to excuse all this as 'well homosexuality's like that and you have to accept it' is just trying to pressure acceptance of what is teetering gently over the edge, and it risks gay people being vilified by the public when this finally reaches the point of being so very obviously unacceptable that the backlash comes.

Cailin66 · 04/03/2023 07:50

bonjello · 04/03/2023 07:44

Lost me here

The reference to Irish and laundry is that in the past women who were pregnant and not married were punished by being sent the convents where the nuns made the women work in vast laundries. Some spent their entire lives there, it was basically a prison. The babies were taken off them shortly after birth, adopted, often for money, especially to rich Catholic Americans. Not sure what the point is.

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 07:54

Cailin66 · 04/03/2023 07:50

The reference to Irish and laundry is that in the past women who were pregnant and not married were punished by being sent the convents where the nuns made the women work in vast laundries. Some spent their entire lives there, it was basically a prison. The babies were taken off them shortly after birth, adopted, often for money, especially to rich Catholic Americans. Not sure what the point is.

Only the Irish held onto the Laundry, other countries stopped much earlier, the Irish are very into Queer theory now and sent their daughters/grandchildren away, as I see these woke mothes sending their children into harm, what's missing in these people that they don't protect the vulnerable?

Morestrangethings · 04/03/2023 07:54

I wouldn’t have taken my children to something like this. I don’t think it is appropriate for children.

At the same time I have a problem with publicly shaming the parents, (all women by the look of it), by publishing their faces on the internet. And it’s not okay to put any children’s faces on the internet.

So I think there’s more than one problematic thing happening here.

SpecialK2023 · 04/03/2023 07:56

Smacks me of the whole “love is love” and being overtly sexual to break down barriers for children. Stepping stones for sex offenders.

Fuckityfuckfuck123 · 04/03/2023 07:56

Tbh, there's been rumblings about this for a long time, I thought it must've been harmless.
I imagined drag Queens belting out nursery rhymes and it being a bit of fun.
Not this, never this! Who are these numpties who are taking their children to see men gyrating around in thongs?
And fucking smiling.

LindorDoubleChoc · 04/03/2023 07:57

Pity me. The Honor Oak Pub in London has just hosted a Drag story time event and the protests against it on the day were hijacked by the hideous far right group Turning Point UK. It made the news, you might have seen it.

Now another popular pub in nearby East Dulwich is planning to do the same and shouting out on social media for residents to come and defend them from Turning Point. Well I don't align myself with Turning Point in any way whatsoever but I feel the need to object to these events. Wtf do I do?

bonjello · 04/03/2023 07:58

SunShineAllMine · 04/03/2023 07:54

Only the Irish held onto the Laundry, other countries stopped much earlier, the Irish are very into Queer theory now and sent their daughters/grandchildren away, as I see these woke mothes sending their children into harm, what's missing in these people that they don't protect the vulnerable?

I'm afraid I don't think I know enough to understand your point. You sound very clued up though.

Helleofabore · 04/03/2023 07:59

Icenice · 04/03/2023 04:04

Not everything is about sex!
Maybe for you but don't project onto others

What about a woman having done a burlesque act and is stripped to her thong or underpants is not sexualised?

Burlesque is all about titillation. These male performers dressed in bdsm gear and writhing on the floor or doing headstands legs splayed are all doing sexualised moves .

I would like you to point out the non sexualised elements of the acts if you consider me ‘projecting’. Or are you another poster who has their sexual boundaries so low you cannot recognise the behaviour for what it is?

bonjello · 04/03/2023 07:59

Cailin66 · 04/03/2023 07:50

The reference to Irish and laundry is that in the past women who were pregnant and not married were punished by being sent the convents where the nuns made the women work in vast laundries. Some spent their entire lives there, it was basically a prison. The babies were taken off them shortly after birth, adopted, often for money, especially to rich Catholic Americans. Not sure what the point is.

How awful!

GrinAndVomit · 04/03/2023 07:59

It’s horrendous. These mothers are putting their need to be seen as a “a cool girl” above their baby/ toddler’s needs.

bonjello · 04/03/2023 08:00

Helleofabore · 04/03/2023 07:59

What about a woman having done a burlesque act and is stripped to her thong or underpants is not sexualised?

Burlesque is all about titillation. These male performers dressed in bdsm gear and writhing on the floor or doing headstands legs splayed are all doing sexualised moves .

I would like you to point out the non sexualised elements of the acts if you consider me ‘projecting’. Or are you another poster who has their sexual boundaries so low you cannot recognise the behaviour for what it is?

Yeah if it wasn't sexualised they'd just be in a gym leotard or something.

IncompleteSenten · 04/03/2023 08:00

It is completely inappropriate and it is disturbing how many people cannot see that.

Helleofabore · 04/03/2023 08:03

Icenice · 04/03/2023 04:17

This thread seems to be populated by safeguarding experts.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of someone who actually works in safeguarding.... Rather than people just using the word.
This is aimed at parents of very young babies, babies are with their parents at all times. Why not focus your attention on the poor regulation of many children's activity groups and the police failings around actual abuse? Ah right because this is about being anti trans, not about safeguarding.

Can you please tell us all which of those performances were about trans people?

Please be very specific.

Tontostitis · 04/03/2023 08:03

What has happened to safeguarding? If I'd taken my babies to a strip/sex show in the eighties or nineties I'd have had SS breaking down my door. Can't these silly, silly women see they are being groomed and allowing their babies to be groomed? Every paedo in the world is jacking off to these photos.

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