To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

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This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

I'd be interested to know the thoughts of someone who actually works in safeguarding.... Rather than people just using the word.

If you can't see the issue with exposing infants to sexual kink dress up, then god help us all.

Drag in itself is perfectly fine - you sound homophobic

Not liking drag doesn't make you homophobic, you imbecile.

I think we have to have a serious look at why women are propping this kind of shit up.

Why not focus your attention on the poor regulation of many children's activity groups and the police failings around actual abuse? Ah right because this is about being anti trans, not about safeguarding.

@Icenice

How the fuck have we got from "trans women just want to pee in peace" to "if you think men shouldn't be allowed to wave their barely concealed cocks and arses around babies and toddlers, you're a bigoted transphobe"

How can you look at these photos and say that this is in any way acceptable? Do you have children?

In my mind, it’s not the fact that they are drag performers it’s the sexual nature of the costumes and the performance that is the issue. These performers are obviously quite flexible and I’m sure little kids would enjoy a show of someone showing off their skills like the splits and other dance moves without the sexualised element. I can’t see why these performances can’t be tailored to kids.

I'd be interested to know the thoughts of someone who actually works in safeguarding.... Rather than people just using the word.

I’ve been a CP social worker for decades and would consider this a safeguarding issue. Drag is generally considered adult entertainment, and is highly sexualised in nature. These performers are dressed in fettish gear and writhing on the floor in a sexualised manner, it’s no more appropriate than handing your baby a copy of Playboy.

While one could argue the child can’t understand or process what they’re seeing, that in itself is an issue - exposing very small children to sexualised content is sexual abuse in and of itself. Drag has its place in society, that place isn’t in a crèche.

I’d also like to know how @Icenice even made the connect to trans people here? These are men, some in drag, performing adult sex entertainment in front of babies and toddlers. I don’t see how this is a trans thing. I’d be more interested to know why on seeing this perverse display that poster’s mind when straight to trans?

See I think I’d have gone along with my friend when our kids were little, sounds like a bit of fun for the mums, wohooo glass of wine and a show!!

but then be utterly fucking mortified when the drag acts appeared and wanted to leave
tve very least I’d have done is turned dd away. Not sure if back then I’d have the confidence to get up and leave

While one could argue the child can’t understand or process what they’re seeing, that in itself is an issue - exposing very small children to sexualised content is sexual abuse in and of itself.

The mothers who set up this disgraceful display said that it's fine as the children don't understand what they're seeing. How can they not hear themselves? How can they not see where such thinking can lead?

Society is far gone.

I grew up with one of the organisers and honestly this doesn't surprise me 🙄

Well it's definitely not Lily Savage in an evening gown on Blankety Blank.

Drag has changed. Drag is in the gutter.

I had no idea any of the people were trans or not. Just not keen on how they are dressed. I'm perfectly fine if they want to show off their circus skills while fully clothed.

Yes I agree it does seem to have taken a much more exclusively adult turn of late. Funny you mention Lily Savage, I remember being a child and genuinely thinking she was a very tall outspoken lady! No way did a I click it was a man in drag. And she was often genuinely funny too.

The mothers who set up this disgraceful display said that it's fine as the children don't understand what they're seeing. How can they not hear themselves? How can they not see where such thinking can lead?

If they can’t understand (and they can’t), what’s the point in taking them? A sexualised performer with mum helping baby clap along at the clever man doing the splits in stripper heels smacks of shifting boundaries, from a very early age the child learns that their needs are secondary to the needs of this man to perform, and their mums desire to support it. That’s not at all a dangerous message for children receive, is it.

Why don't they leave then? If you've somehow misunderstood what you were walking into why not up and leave? You would need a strong stomach to sit through that if you weren't a true believer.

Fear of being told they are uptight prudes

I was just going to write a "thin end of the wedge" reply to this post. That's exactly what it is and I'm sorry SouperNoodle, but you are part of the problem and the reason that this thread exists.

Exactly.
Those of us who haven't drunk the Kool Aid are branded as Terfs, bigots, transphobic.
If you need to give this whole agenda some deeper thought please watch some of Kellie Jay Keen on you tube
She is a voice of reason in this fucked up and dangerous ideology.

There are only white women there with white babies? Why are those women more likely to join the Queer theory quazi religion and not safeguard their children?

Women are afraid to speak- if they do they may be cancelled.
We need women to be brave enough to stand up and say what they really think.

Men dressing as women are not women, no matter how they consider themselves. I don't buy into their ideology.

Thinking I am a Golden retriever does not make me one.

Far right is the latest insult.

Even London drivers are now far right.

I think this situation is not even really connected to politics, eclipsing both the far right and far left. Even many who call themselves feminists bray about being kind, incusive, urging us to budge up and make way for these big sweaty misunderstood women with cocks and beards.

Irs absolutely vile, isn't it. What are these parents thinking.

I read an excellent article relating this kind of thing to queer theory and it does seem to be, ultimately, about breaking down all boundaries when it comes to sex, so normalising sex between adults and children & babies, maybe even animals. If I can find the article, I'll post a link.

You are right not everything is about sex. However the show that this thread is about is about sex. It's men and women in thongs and bondage gear doing routines they usually do in adult only venues. In front of babies and toddlers.

It's wrong, it's sick, it's the sort of thing only the most stupid of parents would even consider appropriate to take their children to.

This. I went to university in Brighton, lived around Brighton for 30 years. Diversity is beautiful but this… to expose children to it… words fail me.