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Borrowed money from my mum

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Finallyoutofthewoods · 03/03/2023 10:56

I know this thread will potentially get a lot of negative comments - please be kind

About 5 years ago I was in the worst financial position I had ever been in. Single parent, trying desperately to take on a mortgage alone after a family breakdown, in massive debt as I ended up saddled with the debt from my marriage as it had all been put in my name - anything we had done to our house, holidays, kids stuff, the lot had all gone in my name as my ex had a dreadful credit rating

My mum on the other hand is extremely financially well off - her house paid for in cash, she paid for her brand new car in cash, she receives the equivalent of a £60k salary in a private pension - my late fathers pension - as well as full state pension. My mum has not worked since she was in her early 20’s - I know Dad paid off her NI contributions so she would get full state pension. She has decent savings and literally doesn’t and never has had to worry about money. She spends money like it’s water though - she uses my email address for any large purchases she makes and for example she spent £8k on blinds for a really small conservatory a few months ago. The conservatory literally fits 2 small chairs and a cafe table in it, so why the blinds were £8k is beyond me.

5 years ago I asked if I could borrow £10k off her in an attempt to clear some of the debt so I would be able to cover the mortgage application to keep our family home. She lent it to me with the agreement that one day if I’m ever sorted I would start to pay it back

As it is, I ended up having to sell the property at a massive loss as I was just short on the mortgage amount and ended up taking on a further £12k credit card and loan debt to cover the mortgage shortfall, solicitors and estate agents fees - essentially wiping out the £10k that she had given me to help out.

I moved into a rented property and had around a total of £25k of credit card debt plus a £5k loan I had to take out to pay the mortgage shortfall off. Really struggled - had to feed my kids from a food bank. Lived an utterly miserable life truth be told and I honestly at my low points struggled to soldier on, especially through covid when I was furloughed and bringing in every less. She knew how low I was and at most, would pass me the odd £20 here and there.

I turned my life around 2 years ago through hard work. My debts are in a completely different place now - I’ve got £2k left on a credit card and my car - which I bought with a loan last year as had to have a decent ish car for work (sales job, car allowance and I cover around 20k miles+ per annum) I live with my new partner in his mortgaged house and pay towards that, we are hoping to buy a house together at some point but wont be doing until I actually have some savings to be able to pay towards the deposit

Anyway, I happened to mention to my mum that my debts were almost cleared and I could tell what she was thinking - that it was time to start paying the £10k back to her

Now I do appreciate that I did borrow this from her in good faith and she was so kind to help me out but Im finally at a stage where I can start to do things with my kids too as well as start a savings account. It’s like our lives have been on hold for over 5 years and she knows how much I’ve struggled. So for me to pay her back at the rate that I had been trying to clear my debts, it would mean that our lives are on hold for quite a bit longer

I have managed to clear my debts purely through commission I receive through my sales job - so it’s not guaranteed each month either. I’ve just worked hard and been lucky

I have considered asking if the debt could be factored into her will - so whatever the amount is, that my sibling would receive £10k more than me. Ive also considered proposing paying her back at a rate of £100 per month - equally I do feel like £100 is a drop in the ocean for her, she literally does not need it. I’m certainly not going to ignore the fact that the debt is there but I know she’s going to ask soon. What would you do?

OP posts:
ReadersD1gest · 04/03/2023 11:00

DancingDaughter50 · 04/03/2023 10:59

@ReadersD1gest...

Of course her mum could help out now but I was wondering what ops mum did whilst they were going through turmoil? Paid for any lessons? Treated them?

Got clothes, sports gear, paid for weekly lessons?

Did she not do a single thing for her grandchildren??

She lent her daughter ten grand?

TheJade · 04/03/2023 11:00

Wow. Pay your mum back.

im shocked anyone thinks they’re entitled to keep 10k just because they’ve had a shitty few years.

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:00

DancingDaughter50 · 04/03/2023 10:49

Op does she pay anything towards your children!
I. Can't believe how mean people can be.

Our children did not ask to be made. We are responsible for them!!. It appals me, that someone so comfortable would allow their child and grandchild use a food bank.

Op is an adult, responsible for herself and her own dependent children. It’s not her mother’s responsibility.

Not sure what the point is in saying ‘well, I wouldn’t make my child repay!’. Okay, well you’re not this mother. Whether you think she’s reasonable or not, she lent the money with the proviso that it would be repaid. If OP doesn’t repay it then it’s entirely possible that she will end up regretting her failure to do so, long term.

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:01

ReadersD1gest · 04/03/2023 11:00

She lent her daughter ten grand?

Which is not the same as giving.

sammylady37 · 04/03/2023 11:01

Pigletnotatwiglet · 04/03/2023 09:47

How disgustingly entitled is this?
Say nothing about the money and hope she doesn’t ask.
If she does ask her to put it in the will because you are not prepared to pay her back.
If she refuses offer her something ridiculous like £20 per month to shut her up.
Don’t fall out with her in case she leaves you out of the will.
Stay away from her whilst not paying her back but be polite in case she disinherits you.
When she gets older and sick don’t do a thing to help her even though she brought you up and also lent you £10,000 to bail you out of your shit financial decision making coz that will teach her. Ohhh still visit though, show your face but don’t help.. don’t forget the inheritance thing!
Imagine having you for a daughter. Grabby, entitled, greedy freeloading behaviour. Vile.

Agree entirely with piglet. My mouth was hanging open at the entitlement and green of that poster.

sammylady37 · 04/03/2023 11:01

^greed, obviously

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:03

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:00

Op is an adult, responsible for herself and her own dependent children. It’s not her mother’s responsibility.

Not sure what the point is in saying ‘well, I wouldn’t make my child repay!’. Okay, well you’re not this mother. Whether you think she’s reasonable or not, she lent the money with the proviso that it would be repaid. If OP doesn’t repay it then it’s entirely possible that she will end up regretting her failure to do so, long term.

It's not her responsibility but it says a lot about her that she'd buy one child new cars while letting the other one go to foodbanks.

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:03

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 10:55

You completely swerved the different treatment because it doesn't serve your narrative. And the OP hasn't said they're going to abandon her mother. And you don't know that the OP was certain her ex would default. People make all sorts of promises, and life is not as black and white as you paint it.

And the absolute hyperbole about parents giving their last penny when the OP is the sibling that didn't expect hand outs. And the mother is very comfortably off and the OP isn't asking for any more money, just a bit of respite before paying the rest. It's not CFery to expect your parent to recognise the great effort you've made to pay back massive debts by giving her a bit of grace before expecting the money back.

As I say if I were the mother I'd be thinking of how lucky I was to have married someone who earned such a good income, not berating my children for not being so fortunate. But not everyone is as self-absorbed as you are to think that everything comes down to their oh so perfect judgement.

Self absorbed to think you buy things that you can afford?
Not put holidays and stuff for children on CC?
Bullshit it's not self absorbed it's common sense.
The usual crap people come out with to justify getting into needless debt.
I'm well aware that people get into debt unfortunately through no fault of their own.

Op spent money she didn't have on non essential stuff and looks like she hasn't changed her attitude at all.

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:05

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 10:59

Therefore irrelevant to the OP.

Still swerving.

Swerving what!?
I was making the point that the thread was illustrating how CFers think.
Very interesting at how they manipulate.

DancingDaughter50 · 04/03/2023 11:06

Nothing is anyone's. We are born alone and we die alone....

Why have children, why bother. Why marry, fall in love or do anything if we take the attitude that we don't owe anyone anything. What a horrid way to live.

She doesn't realise what op has been through.

She's selfish.

It appals me.

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:06

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:03

Self absorbed to think you buy things that you can afford?
Not put holidays and stuff for children on CC?
Bullshit it's not self absorbed it's common sense.
The usual crap people come out with to justify getting into needless debt.
I'm well aware that people get into debt unfortunately through no fault of their own.

Op spent money she didn't have on non essential stuff and looks like she hasn't changed her attitude at all.

Self absorbed to think it's as simple as you're painting it and that you would have never got into any poor situation because of your superiority. And your complete failure to recognise that the OP has done a tremendous job in paying back that money.

There are a lot of people on mumsnet that lack empathy and are totally self congratulatory. And you're clearly one of them.

And you're still swerving.

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:08

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:05

Swerving what!?
I was making the point that the thread was illustrating how CFers think.
Very interesting at how they manipulate.

Swerving the difference in treatment.

You were illustrating your interpretation of how CFs think and ascribing that to the OP. It's just your opinion, not fact.

SingleMumofOne95 · 04/03/2023 11:09

@DancingDaughter50 Do you realise that a lot of people have been in situations like OP or even worse than OP and they still wouldn’t think it was okay to borrow money saying they will pay it back and then change their minds because they want to ‘treat themselves’

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:11

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:03

It's not her responsibility but it says a lot about her that she'd buy one child new cars while letting the other one go to foodbanks.

Okay, and? Again, it’s pointless opining that has zero impact on OP’s situation. You can think the mother awful all you like, it doesn’t change the fact that she expects the money to be repaid. OP isn’t going to be doing herself any favours by ignoring this.

DancingDaughter50 · 04/03/2023 11:11

And lots of people have worse parents who wouldn't even lend them the money and lots of people have parents who would sell their own house to give the it child the money.

And?

What bar are we going for?

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:15

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:03

It's not her responsibility but it says a lot about her that she'd buy one child new cars while letting the other one go to foodbanks.

it’s irrelevant. It her money and if she doesn’t want to be ‘fair’ with it that’s her choice. She offered a loan and OP agreed to the terms.

SingleMumofOne95 · 04/03/2023 11:16

@DancingDaughter50 Just stop using the OP’s past experiences as a reason as to why she shouldn’t pay her mum back after that was the original agreement. Her mum might write it off but OP hasn’t even spoken to her about it all so why are so many people on here assuming and demonising the mum? Also a lot of these people saying yeah I would give my child that money and not want it back probably hasn’t even got 10k in the bank to do so, so a bit rich commenting on someone else

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:17

DancingDaughter50 · 04/03/2023 11:11

And lots of people have worse parents who wouldn't even lend them the money and lots of people have parents who would sell their own house to give the it child the money.

And?

What bar are we going for?

An irrelevant one, apparently. What one parent would do on the same situation has no bearing on the decisions of another.

OP accepted a loan, and it’s in her best interests to repay it.

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:21

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:06

Self absorbed to think it's as simple as you're painting it and that you would have never got into any poor situation because of your superiority. And your complete failure to recognise that the OP has done a tremendous job in paying back that money.

There are a lot of people on mumsnet that lack empathy and are totally self congratulatory. And you're clearly one of them.

And you're still swerving.

Bullshit again.
You have zero idea of my financial situation.
I've worked my arse off and no I dont buy stuff on credit I can't afford.
It's really not hard

The Op got into debt buying stuff she can't afford and is already wanting holidays etc when she still owes money to her DM which she doesn't want to pay back.
The grabby attitude is absolutely appalling.
The thread wouldn't even exist if she was planning on paying back what she owes.
Disgraceful.
You come back with ever more insults and crap-that's what grabby, cheeky people do.
Water off a 🦆 back!

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:26

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:21

Bullshit again.
You have zero idea of my financial situation.
I've worked my arse off and no I dont buy stuff on credit I can't afford.
It's really not hard

The Op got into debt buying stuff she can't afford and is already wanting holidays etc when she still owes money to her DM which she doesn't want to pay back.
The grabby attitude is absolutely appalling.
The thread wouldn't even exist if she was planning on paying back what she owes.
Disgraceful.
You come back with ever more insults and crap-that's what grabby, cheeky people do.
Water off a 🦆 back!

I didn't mention your financial situation 🤷🏽‍♀️.

Still judging the OP. Clearly makes you feel so good.

Oh I'm grabby and cheeky now, lol.

😊

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:28

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:15

it’s irrelevant. It her money and if she doesn’t want to be ‘fair’ with it that’s her choice. She offered a loan and OP agreed to the terms.

It's true that it's her choice. It's not irrelevant though. It would certain impact on how the OP feels about it. Which she's absolutely allowed to do.

I don't think the terms were completely clear about when the loan had to be repaid. Do you know more?

NattyNamechanger · 04/03/2023 11:29

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:26

I didn't mention your financial situation 🤷🏽‍♀️.

Still judging the OP. Clearly makes you feel so good.

Oh I'm grabby and cheeky now, lol.

😊

Yep
Anyone who thinks that their DM or anyone else's should fund their poor choices is entitled.
Looks like Ops DM is onto her though, let's hope so !

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:31

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:28

It's true that it's her choice. It's not irrelevant though. It would certain impact on how the OP feels about it. Which she's absolutely allowed to do.

I don't think the terms were completely clear about when the loan had to be repaid. Do you know more?

It will impact on how OP feels about it, sure, I’m not disputing that. However, it doesn’t change the fact that OP agreed to pay it back and she is expected to.

as far as the terms go, it’s in the first post:

“She lent it to me with the agreement that one day if I’m ever sorted I would start to pay it back“

namechange1487 · 04/03/2023 11:31

I would never hold my daughter and grandchildren in debt if I had the funds.

Never.

Barbecuebeans · 04/03/2023 11:33

whumpthereitis · 04/03/2023 11:11

Okay, and? Again, it’s pointless opining that has zero impact on OP’s situation. You can think the mother awful all you like, it doesn’t change the fact that she expects the money to be repaid. OP isn’t going to be doing herself any favours by ignoring this.

Yes and I'm entitled to say it. So what if it doesn't change the situation. Lots of things on MN don't change the situation, that doesn't mean it's not worth saying them.

Nor is it doing the OP any favours having all these insults that people have repeatedly made on this thread. Somehow it doesn't stop them though.

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