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Borrowed money from my mum

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Finallyoutofthewoods · 03/03/2023 10:56

I know this thread will potentially get a lot of negative comments - please be kind

About 5 years ago I was in the worst financial position I had ever been in. Single parent, trying desperately to take on a mortgage alone after a family breakdown, in massive debt as I ended up saddled with the debt from my marriage as it had all been put in my name - anything we had done to our house, holidays, kids stuff, the lot had all gone in my name as my ex had a dreadful credit rating

My mum on the other hand is extremely financially well off - her house paid for in cash, she paid for her brand new car in cash, she receives the equivalent of a £60k salary in a private pension - my late fathers pension - as well as full state pension. My mum has not worked since she was in her early 20’s - I know Dad paid off her NI contributions so she would get full state pension. She has decent savings and literally doesn’t and never has had to worry about money. She spends money like it’s water though - she uses my email address for any large purchases she makes and for example she spent £8k on blinds for a really small conservatory a few months ago. The conservatory literally fits 2 small chairs and a cafe table in it, so why the blinds were £8k is beyond me.

5 years ago I asked if I could borrow £10k off her in an attempt to clear some of the debt so I would be able to cover the mortgage application to keep our family home. She lent it to me with the agreement that one day if I’m ever sorted I would start to pay it back

As it is, I ended up having to sell the property at a massive loss as I was just short on the mortgage amount and ended up taking on a further £12k credit card and loan debt to cover the mortgage shortfall, solicitors and estate agents fees - essentially wiping out the £10k that she had given me to help out.

I moved into a rented property and had around a total of £25k of credit card debt plus a £5k loan I had to take out to pay the mortgage shortfall off. Really struggled - had to feed my kids from a food bank. Lived an utterly miserable life truth be told and I honestly at my low points struggled to soldier on, especially through covid when I was furloughed and bringing in every less. She knew how low I was and at most, would pass me the odd £20 here and there.

I turned my life around 2 years ago through hard work. My debts are in a completely different place now - I’ve got £2k left on a credit card and my car - which I bought with a loan last year as had to have a decent ish car for work (sales job, car allowance and I cover around 20k miles+ per annum) I live with my new partner in his mortgaged house and pay towards that, we are hoping to buy a house together at some point but wont be doing until I actually have some savings to be able to pay towards the deposit

Anyway, I happened to mention to my mum that my debts were almost cleared and I could tell what she was thinking - that it was time to start paying the £10k back to her

Now I do appreciate that I did borrow this from her in good faith and she was so kind to help me out but Im finally at a stage where I can start to do things with my kids too as well as start a savings account. It’s like our lives have been on hold for over 5 years and she knows how much I’ve struggled. So for me to pay her back at the rate that I had been trying to clear my debts, it would mean that our lives are on hold for quite a bit longer

I have managed to clear my debts purely through commission I receive through my sales job - so it’s not guaranteed each month either. I’ve just worked hard and been lucky

I have considered asking if the debt could be factored into her will - so whatever the amount is, that my sibling would receive £10k more than me. Ive also considered proposing paying her back at a rate of £100 per month - equally I do feel like £100 is a drop in the ocean for her, she literally does not need it. I’m certainly not going to ignore the fact that the debt is there but I know she’s going to ask soon. What would you do?

OP posts:
NattyNamechanger · 03/03/2023 19:49

etcher70 · 03/03/2023 19:31

Leaving an abusive marriage and working to clear her debt...?

Being nasty about a mother who has lent her 10K, enabling another man and eyeing up holidays and meals out when she is still in debt!

Yoyooo · 03/03/2023 19:49

I would love to hear the mums side of the story here

WombatChocolate · 03/03/2023 19:49

I think it’s fine to ask that the loan effectively is taken at the point of inheritance. Asking politely, without applying pressure, so that mother can decline is fine.

This is child and parent. They should be able to have this conversation. It’s good to talk about these things rather than to remain silent and struggle on alone, or assuming the other person knows the situation. Of all people, if you can’t talk to your Mum, who can you.?

OP has done really well in clearing lots of debt. Most mothers wiould be proud of how she’s managed this. Most parents want to help their kids out if they need it, and they are able to afford it.

Of course OP shouldn’t pressure her mother. Saying ‘no’ must always be an option and then OP will need to ensure she starts to pay back.

However, asking isn’t wrong. She hasn’t assumed anything.

DownInTheDumpster · 03/03/2023 19:50

OP ignore the horrible comments. If I was incredibly financially well off without having worked my whole life and I could see my daughter slogging her guts out after an abusive relationship there is no way in hell I’d call that loan back. And as an outsider looking in I would judge your mother harshly for that. Some people seem to think they’ve ‘earnt’ good fortune without lifting a finger. I don’t blame you for feeling sad.

SingleMumofOne95 · 03/03/2023 19:52

@DownInTheDumpster her mum hasn’t asked for it back so what’s there to be sad about exactly

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/03/2023 19:52

I would love to hear the mums side of the story here

You and me both, Yoyooo
It's impossible of course, but would be interesting all the same

DownInTheDumpster · 03/03/2023 19:53

@SingleMumofOne95 from the OPs account it seems clear her mother wants/expects it back.

Mediocrates · 03/03/2023 19:54

If I was in your mother’s situation, I would not want repayment. I’d make it clear to my child that they could forget about it. If I was in your situation, however, I wouldn’t even be considering not paying it back.

You worked your arse off to pay back faceless creditors but resent having to continue with the same lifestyle to repay a family member who agreed to give the money as a loan. That’s a bit shit really

Callmenat · 03/03/2023 19:54

Your mums finances are not your business and you shouldnt assume you're in her will. You borrowed it and agreed to pay it back so do so. Just my opinion.

Liorae · 03/03/2023 19:58

DownInTheDumpster · 03/03/2023 19:50

OP ignore the horrible comments. If I was incredibly financially well off without having worked my whole life and I could see my daughter slogging her guts out after an abusive relationship there is no way in hell I’d call that loan back. And as an outsider looking in I would judge your mother harshly for that. Some people seem to think they’ve ‘earnt’ good fortune without lifting a finger. I don’t blame you for feeling sad.

Isn't the usual Mumsnet line that sahms facilitate. their husbands to become high earners due to their childcare and work in the home? Why does that not apply to the OP'S mother who you say didn’t work?

Tiggy321 · 03/03/2023 19:59

I am in a similar situation in that my husband is long term unemployed (mental health issues plus general hopelessness .....) I work 2 jobs and try very hard to support my family. My mum is widowed and very comfortably off and is so so generous with helping me out financially. I offer to pay it back and she refuses totally. I hate accepting money from her as I am an adult but she insists and says I will get it one day anyway. If I had enough money, I would happily give my daughter £10k as I would hate to see her struggle with kids if she was doing everything to earn, not overspend etc .

DownInTheDumpster · 03/03/2023 19:59

Fair enough- even if I’d worked every second of every day for my money if my child was in need and I could very easily afford it I wouldn’t think twice.

RudsyFarmer · 03/03/2023 20:03

For me it would be a pride issue. I'd want to feel like I owed no one a dime and my mother would have nothing to hold over me in an argument.

Bonbon21 · 03/03/2023 20:04

As yet nobody actually knows what your mum will say when you broach the subject/offer to set up a repayment plan.. she may well be waiting for you to bring the matter into the conversation.. having seen that you have worked so hard to clear your debts.
She may well surprise you!!
But in any case you should discuss it and move matters forward. Yes, you want some financial freedom but you can only really do that when you have completely paid back everything you owe.

changeme4this · 03/03/2023 20:23

As “your” sibling I want you to start paying mum back.

etcher70 · 03/03/2023 20:24

SingleMumofOne95 · 03/03/2023 19:42

The money she owes her mum is included in that debt.

Agreed in principle, but if you could afford a luxury lifestyle while your children used food banks would you be able to sleep at night? If you were financially stable / well off enough to give your kids a break after seeing them have a tough time, wouldn't you do it?!

T1Dmama · 03/03/2023 20:31

Confused as hell!
why was the house and debts all your losses?? Why didn’t ex take half all debts?

I would sit your mum down and say to her the last few years have been a struggle and your kids have missed out so you can settle debts… ask her if you can start repaying your debt when the kids are older! See what she says.

Yespresh · 03/03/2023 20:32

She kept her side of the bargain, now you need to keep yours. Start paying back £100 a month. One day you may need to borrow money again and she may not be as helpful

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/03/2023 20:35

Why was the house and debts all your losses?? Why didn’t ex take half all debts?

OP said it all went in her name because her ex had a terrible credit rating - another reason I wonder if the mum has views about the choices which led to the awful level of debt

T1Dmama · 03/03/2023 20:38

changeme4this · 03/03/2023 20:23

As “your” sibling I want you to start paying mum back.

Maybe you should be helping your sister and nieces and nephews out rather than letting them live off food banks..
If I had a sibling like you I’d be wishing I was an only child

dollypartin · 03/03/2023 20:38

Talk to her. You're mind reading. Also fwiw I think the will thing makes sense.

Kally64 · 03/03/2023 20:39

i am quite surprised at some of the nasty comments being directed at the OP, all she was trying to do was paint a complete picture of the family dynamics.
I was widowed at 42, my daughters were 16 & 12 & thankfully I was left with some degree of financial security. Fast forward a few years and I gave both daughters the deposits for their first houses because I knew that it was what their Dad would have wanted. I’m not saying this to be given a pat on the back but just to support the OP and say that some parents look to helping their children, where as her Mum doesn’t appear to treat her children equally. As for seeing her own daughter have to use a food bank to feed her children, I’m appalled that she didn’t step in.
Yet at the end of the day we are all different I suppose.
In later years I have had to borrow money from my own Dad, (who is very comfortable), and on offering to pay it back he said no and gave the same amount to my sibling

T1Dmama · 03/03/2023 20:40

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/03/2023 20:35

Why was the house and debts all your losses?? Why didn’t ex take half all debts?

OP said it all went in her name because her ex had a terrible credit rating - another reason I wonder if the mum has views about the choices which led to the awful level of debt

yes I read that.. but marriage means debts are joint as well as assets

early30smum · 03/03/2023 20:41

Haven’t RTFH but can see you’re getting some mixed opinions. It blows my mind that someone who could spend 8K on blinds (?!) would insist on this loan being paid back, and would see her grandchildren being fed via food banks if she herself hadn’t worked, but was very, very comfortably off. Different if there’s a very good reasons she didn’t want to give you cash, eg some kind of addiction like gambling or alcohol that would see you waste the money.

I’m sorry OP. Well done on clearing so much of your debt and hopefully you can come to an agreement with her.

ohdelay · 03/03/2023 20:41

There are some proper entitled takers on the thread and I'm including the OP. Of course you'd all write off your imaginary 10k loans. Great thought exercise. OP doesn't seem to like her mum very much despite hitting her up for 10k when she needed it and tbh it's probably mutual. Also starting a thread when she hasn't even asked for it back yet because she wants to be financially free and go on holiday. SMH

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