To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Bizarre and very unfair Link

YABU. What a horrible thing to do. She very obviously caused the accident and then left before emergency services arrived? The poor lady cyclists and her family.

It's not that I don't believe you, I just haven't been able to find any signs on Streetview. You claim there are signs so I'm asking you where they are so that I can have a look.

The victim blamers and evident cyclist haters on here have made this thread a nauseating read in parts.

It is not victim blaming of the poor killed cyclist, to think that this woman who clearly has something wrong with her mentally and physically is best placed in a prison. Or to say that lack of cycle markings/pedestrian markings is also hugely at fault.

And after Auriol Grey extended her arm towards her, made contact, retracted her arm, and continued walking.

I agree scrolling leaves.

If there was any proof of a 'push' it would have been mentioned. That's just fact. As the worst thing she could have done it would have been mentioned if the court had decided it happened.

I disagree with that. The crime was assault and that's clearly made out by the shouting and threatening gestures. Getting into the finer detail of 'did she push her or didn't she' wouldn't have made much of a difference to the case. They didn't need to prove she pushed her to prove she was guilty of manslaughter, just that she assaulted her. If they wanted to prove murder it would have been different, but presumably the prosecution didn't want to muddy the waters.

No those things that are not victim blaming are not victim blaming.

People victim blaming are the ones saying that the cyclist was at fault here, which is plenty of people

Whether or not she was pushed would make a difference to the sentence. If it's as clear-cut as some people are claiming then it would have been used to make the 3 year sentence more understandable or to justify a longer sentence. Justice would be failed if this much more blameworthy conduct wasn't addressed.

Not if the CPS didn't think conviction was as likely. They always opt for the easiest charge to prove. The only other person who can comment on the push is dead

It would have been part of the same charge and justified a higher sentence. If it was as easily-proveable as some people seem to think then it would have been an important factor in deciding an appropriate sentence - moreso than not showing remorse, going shopping, or that the path was shared use, which all seem to have been used by the judge to justify the sentence.

its interesting (wrong) that 'manslaughter' carries a much higher jail term generally than 'death by dangerous driving' which is what drivers can be charged with if they knock over and kill a cyclist.

Why should 'death by dangerous driving' have a lesser jail term than manslaugher?

Anyway I think it's entirely appropriate that she goes to jail.

Here you are now wanting her to go down for longer

Both have life imprisonment as maximum tariff now

No, I think she should get an appropriate sentence to the circumstances and that people shouldn't keep saying that she definitely pushed the cyclist when as far as we know she hasn't even been accused of that.

If she did push the cyclist I personally think she should get a longer sentence.

If she didn't then I think, based in what I've read, that she should get a shorter sentence.

Just my opinion though.

If it was as easily-proveable as some people seem to think then it would have been an important factor in deciding an appropriate sentence

Given that from the video footage it is clear to me and others that she did push her (or at the very least made a sharp pushing motion towards her, and then she admitted she made contact), and yet many others claim they can't see that from the footage at all, I don't think it's particularly strange that the prosecution might have considered the 'she definitely did push her' line of argument potentially questionable enough not to force the point. Strategically, I do t think the benefit of possibly increasing her sentence outweighs the risk of confusing the case and introducing other variables.

*I don't

Yes, you're making my point. It's wrong for people to say "she definitely pushed" because not only has that not been proven but it's not (as far as we know) been alleged. And the only reason for that can be that there's nothing definite about it.

She went shopping and didn't stay around....

UserError1 · Today 16:12
She went shopping and didn't stay around....

She is mentally odd. The judge himself said ‘childlike’. Maybe she needs to be in some sort of care. But prison for 3 years?

She flew the scene because she knew she had questions to answer.

She causes the death of another person so yes she needs to recompense that in some way. I'm sure the victim's family wouldn't be saying "oh well it was an accident never mind, you walk free while our daughter is dead"🙄

She left her dying to buy food? After watching her being hit by a car that she fell in front of because of her direct actions? What a lovely human being. Totally standard behaviour after witnessing a violent death, I'm sure we all would do the same. School kid under the bus? Let's get some popcorn. I bet she was inwardly hoping she would come to harm when throwing her arms about making impossible to pass her safely.

Yes, you're making my point. It's wrong for people to say "she definitely pushed" because not only has that not been proven but it's not (as far as we know) been alleged. And the only reason for that can be that there's nothing definite about it.

The fact that the prosecution chose not to pursue that line of argument doesn't mean it didn't happen either. I'll happily rephrase to 'I think it's completely obvious from the footage and wider context, including her own admissions that the made contact (we have the video, there's no other time that they could have touched) that she pushed her, however she without a doubt assaulted her' if you'd prefer?

So, there are two signs on that stretch of road. One at the junction with Cowper Road and another at the junction with Priory Road. Just to make it easy for you.

The one near Cowper Road is on the other side of the road, and there doesn't seem to be one near Priory Road.

That's Google Streetview images from 5 months ago though so it's possible there may be new signs as a result of this incident.