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bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:23

100% the cyclists fault. I actually can't believe this went to court.

Cyclist would have seen the pedestrian up ahead. Could see that the pathway is too narrow for her to have passed and got off the bike and pushed it on that section.

To those saying she's a sociopath for going shopping rather than stopping - she clearly has special needs. When she left the house that morning, she was going shopping. Unless you have experience of autism and other conditions you won't realise this. Once their plan is in their head - that's what they're doing. Going shopping.

Setting a very dangerous precedent here.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:25

Where are people reading about her autism?

FingerPuppet · 03/03/2023 14:32

Setting a very dangerous precedent here.

As opposed to setting a precedent that it is perfectly fine to push cyclists into oncoming traffic?

FingerPuppet · 03/03/2023 14:33

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:25

Where are people reading about her autism?

They’re inventing it to make AG a bigger victim that the deceased cyclist.

BishopRock · 03/03/2023 14:35

bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:23

100% the cyclists fault. I actually can't believe this went to court.

Cyclist would have seen the pedestrian up ahead. Could see that the pathway is too narrow for her to have passed and got off the bike and pushed it on that section.

To those saying she's a sociopath for going shopping rather than stopping - she clearly has special needs. When she left the house that morning, she was going shopping. Unless you have experience of autism and other conditions you won't realise this. Once their plan is in their head - that's what they're doing. Going shopping.

Setting a very dangerous precedent here.

The pathway is 2.4 metres wide, easily enough to accommodate both women, particularly when Celia's bike was one of those little, tiny-wheeled shopper types.

DesertRose64 · 03/03/2023 14:36

FingerPuppet · 03/03/2023 14:33

They’re inventing it to make AG a bigger victim that the deceased cyclist.

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I’m pretty sure if Ms Grey was autistic her defense team would have made sure they had an official diagnosis for her at the time of her trial. And they didn’t so I think we can quite rightly put that argument to rest.

MichelleScarn · 03/03/2023 14:45

FingerPuppet · 03/03/2023 14:32

Setting a very dangerous precedent here.

As opposed to setting a precedent that it is perfectly fine to push cyclists into oncoming traffic?

Flabbergasted that posters are still justifying and minimising AGs actions that caused someone's death.

SnarkyBag · 03/03/2023 14:45

Just watched the footage nothing accidental about any of that. Even with cognitive issues if you know enough about whether a cyclist shouldn’t be on the pavement to the point you want act on it you know enough to know that forcing them off their bike into oncoming traffic can lead to a fatal collision

CMO · 03/03/2023 14:47

ScrollingLeaves · 03/03/2023 10:53

This woman did not seem quite mentally or physically normal. Isn’t she partially sighted too?

Why would she react ‘normally’ if that is the case? If anything maybe she should be in a nursing home, not a prison.

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Associated autism is also possible with cerebral palsy.

That the pavement was supposed to be a joint pedestrian and cycle path is ridiculous, especially without markings - if it was indeed a joint cycle and pedestrian path, then maybe the city council highways department should be partly liable for not maintaining it correctly with markings and signs.

The ‘surely you knew about the path being shared’ remark of the judge does not seem fair at all.

The woman was sort of flapping her arms at the cyclist thinking she would be hit by the cycle. The cyclist must have veered out of the way, or at any rate not exactly been pushed. Of course the accused should have just stepped out of the way, instead of swearing and flapping, but it didn’t look as though she was either nimble or quick witted.

I heard on the radio news there will be an appeal.

The clip you have seen doesn't show her pushing the cyclist. The video seen by the jury does, hence the guilty charge. It was a clear push with intent.

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 14:47

Her MH problems are neither here nor there really, she didn’t plead insanity so shouldn’t have an impact on guilt or innocence.

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 14:48

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 13:43

I've checked on Streetview and there don't seem to be any signs on that side of the road.

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I drive it almost every day. Trust me, there are signs.

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 14:50

To those saying she's a sociopath for going shopping rather than stopping - she clearly has special needs. When she left the house that morning, she was going shopping. Unless you have experience of autism and other conditions you won't realise this. Once their plan is in their head - that's what they're doing. Going shopping.

You can’t excuse yourself from the scene of an accident ‘because autism’. You should always stay put to give your details as a witness. She buggered off because she knew she had fucked up and was trying to avoid detection.

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 14:50

Plus as we are told relentlessly on here, autism doesn’t cause a loss of empathy or moral compass.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 14:53

CMO · 03/03/2023 14:47

The clip you have seen doesn't show her pushing the cyclist. The video seen by the jury does, hence the guilty charge. It was a clear push with intent.

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How do you work that out? The cyclist is already on the floor at the end of the clip that's been made public. She certainly wasn't pushed after she fell.

And the judge isn't reported to have mentioned 'pushing' in justifying the sentence so you can infer that there isn't sufficient evidence that there was a 'push'. The defendant's claim that she may have made 'light contact' doesn't seem to have been disputed.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:56

Considering the only person who's can confirm how light that push was is dead I'm not sure how much credibility I'm giving it being light. AG also initially lied to police when she was first questioned and she attempted to evade justice

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 14:59

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 14:48

I drive it almost every day. Trust me, there are signs.

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Agreed, there are signs on the other side of the road.

Where do you believe there are signs on that side of the road?

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 15:03

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:56

Considering the only person who's can confirm how light that push was is dead I'm not sure how much credibility I'm giving it being light. AG also initially lied to police when she was first questioned and she attempted to evade justice

Obviously we don't know how 'light' any contact was, but that wasn't what was being discussed.

We were discussing what the court had decided after seeing all the evidence. If they'd decided that there was sufficient proof that there was a 'push' then it would have been mentioned as justification for the sentence. That's how it works.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 15:04

A 'push' is far more blameworthy than swearing or gesticulating after all.

MichelleScarn · 03/03/2023 15:04

@BrigitteBond

From another of the threads on this
"The video that is being shown in the media is not the full video. The investigating officer said this "Det Sgt Dollard, who interviewed Grey, told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire: "I'll always remember the morning after it occurred obtaining the CCTV and watching it in its entirety.

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."" So it does sound like there might be more that the jusry have been privy to that we have not.

The full article is here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64835197"

Do you still think you know better than the police, judge and jury.
At least all the worry that AG has no friends or support can be removed given all the mumsnetters in support of her.

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 15:04

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 14:59

Agreed, there are signs on the other side of the road.

Where do you believe there are signs on that side of the road?

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I don’t believe. I know. Frankly I don’t give a shit if you don’t believe me.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 15:04

Yeah I know that's why I said they would have proceeded with the most likely conviction further up thread

dawngreen · 03/03/2023 15:05

The video do's not show her been pushed at all, and she fell later after she stopped shouting.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 15:05

Yeah maybe some of the posters here should offer to help on her appeal, will likely do a much better job than her current rep

DesertRose64 · 03/03/2023 15:06

To those saying she's a sociopath for going shopping rather than stopping - she clearly has special needs. When she left the house that morning, she was going shopping. Unless you have experience of autism and other conditions you won't realise this. Once their plan is in their head - that's what they're doing. Going shopping

I have more than 30 years of experience of autism as a mother and I’m inclined to believe that the judge knows she’s not autistic or that her cognitive deficits don’t excuse her behaviour. And I’m pretty sure that if Ms Greys lawyers coukd have used autism as an excuse during the trial they’d have been all over it like a rash.

Her running off after the incident was her reaction to the fight or flight response when scared or stressed. She knew what she’d done and she ran away.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 15:07

MichelleScarn · 03/03/2023 15:04

@BrigitteBond

From another of the threads on this
"The video that is being shown in the media is not the full video. The investigating officer said this "Det Sgt Dollard, who interviewed Grey, told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire: "I'll always remember the morning after it occurred obtaining the CCTV and watching it in its entirety.

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."" So it does sound like there might be more that the jusry have been privy to that we have not.

The full article is here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64835197"

Do you still think you know better than the police, judge and jury.
At least all the worry that AG has no friends or support can be removed given all the mumsnetters in support of her.

No, I'm specifically saying that the police, judge and jury have seen the evidence and we haven't.

If there was any proof of a 'push' it would have been mentioned. That's just fact. As the worst thing she could have done it would have been mentioned if the court had decided it happened.