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To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

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GatoradeMeBitch · 02/03/2023 19:09

Having looked at the footage slowed down, you can see her weight shift forward and to the left, right as she goes out of frame. It's possible she deliberately pushed the woman.

And then she did not call 999, she didn't try to help, she didn't stay at the scene. She walked off to go and do her shopping, then lied to the police. She's a very unpleasant character who caused an innocent person's death.

Dominoeffecter · 02/03/2023 19:10

unclebuck · 02/03/2023 19:08

This vicious bastard who beat a woman to death got 3 years 8 months: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46591150

Your point being?

VeganStar · 02/03/2023 19:11

Strawberrysosweet · 02/03/2023 15:47

@Blort she didn’t ‘tell her off.’ That is massively minimising.

She literally shoved her into oncoming traffic. She meant her harm.

So she killed her then?

Blueblell · 02/03/2023 19:13

She effectively pushed her into the road.

Familyiness · 02/03/2023 19:13

It wasn't an accident, have you seen the footage. She's aggressive and swearing, then she swings her arm out.
She then leaves the woman on the road who had been hit by a car, and fucks off to do her shopping. She definitely deserves jail time, and stop using her disability as an excuse to act like that.
If it was your relative would you not want justice!! She should have got more in my opinion.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/03/2023 19:13

Yes, she did kill her. That's why she was found guilty of Manslaughter.

Grumpybutfunny · 02/03/2023 19:14

oldwhyno · 02/03/2023 15:48

You can't go scaring people into evasive action that causes an incident that kills them. It's an appropriate sentence to my mind, and she probably won't serve that long.

This x100. We have people doing time for death by dangerous driving where it would have been injury if the other driver had a decent car or wasn't already ill. If she got away with causing this accident by her attitude (same as say a racing driver) loads if convictions would be at stake.

Two wrongs don't make a right she could have stood to one side and let the cyclist past if she was that scared. Hopefully this is the start of not just drivers being responsible for pedestrians behaviour

HufflePuffllePuff · 02/03/2023 19:14

AlwaysGinPlease · 02/03/2023 18:49

@dawngreen what rules ? Like push someone in front of a moving car and they are likely to die? 🙄

I'm astonished at the victim blaming here. The amount of people defending a mouthy aggressive murderer that pushed a woman in front of a car and left her dying to go shopping. Jesus wept.

Can you please point me to footage of where the pedestrian pushed the cyclist into the road?

There's none that I could find. It looked like she was gesticulating for her to get off the path (and the path didn't look like a double wide cycle path) so pedestrians had priority surely especially a partially sighted one.

It was a horrendous thing to happen to the poor woman but she would have seen the pedestrian coming towards her (she didn't jump out in front of her) so should have braked and stopped to let her past. If she was going so fast that she couldn't and couldn't control her bike then that wasn't the pedestrian's fault.

Did she expect to carry on cycling straight at the pedestrian and for her to jump out of the way? I cycle and always slow down right down when approaching people and dogs even on a big cycling path because you never know if they're going to change direction right in front of you.

What would have happened to the cyclist if she'd mown down and killed or injured a partially sighted pedestrian with cerebral palsy on a path?

if the pedestrian survived in a collision on the path but the cyclist had fallen off and fell into the road in front of a car, would the pedestrian have been charged for not moving out of the way?

For all we know the pedestrian could have had incidents with bikes on the path before so was affected by that.

I just don't understand why the cyclist didn't stop of her own accord before she came that close to the pedestrian, she was not forced into the road. I would have moved to the side and stopped to let them past.

As for not stopping, the pedestrian may have been in shock and saw other people going to her. Who knows what went through her mind. Not sure how I would react if I'd just seen someone go under a car in front of me, was traumatised for days seeing a cat get knocked over by a car coming the other way.

The sentence is a disgrace IMO and I hope she appeals.

HeavenIsAHalfpipe · 02/03/2023 19:15

@JackiePlace

Thanks for the video link. I cannot see any shoving taking place. It appears the cyclist panicked after being shouted at and swerved into the road, which was entirely her own fault.

My condolences to the lady's family. I'm sue she was the nice person they describe but sadly due to the actions of so many irresponsible cyclists over the years, pedestrians are now walking around in fear of their own lives.

Oh do come off it FGS! The woman (Auriol) 100% shoves the lady cyclist (Celia,) at the end of the clip on this article. Why on EARTH are you defending this vile creature? Confused Your sympathy seems to be with the murderer. WTF is that about?

nz.news.yahoo.com/auriol-grey-swears-cyclist-celia-ward-veered-into-road-killed-car-100758450.html

Also, you can see the dreadful woman edging further towards the woman cycling on the path. She intended to cause drama and furore, and to show the poor woman how ANGRY she was that she was on the path. She may not intended to have killed her, but she did, and as some posters have said, she should have been done for murder. She attacked her deliberately and did not give a shit about her when she fell into the road.

I 100% PRAY that this ghastly article DOES appeal, and she gets an extra 3-4 years. (Because 'appeals' can go the other way too, and do NOT always go in the favour of the criminal.) She is vile. Utterly vile.

Your posts make me sick @JackiePlace

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/03/2023 19:16

@HufflePuffllePuff, she admitted making contact.

Do people not bother their holes checking facts anymore?

HeavenIsAHalfpipe · 02/03/2023 19:16

@HufflePuffllePuff

The sentence is a disgrace IMO and I hope she appeals.

Yes it IS a disgrace. Should have been 7-8 years. I hope she appeals too, and they double the sentence.

NoBoatsOnSunday · 02/03/2023 19:17

I don’t think you can say without a shadow of a doubt that there was a push, which is no doubt why she wasn’t charged with murder.

On balance though, it does look an awful lot like she shoved the cyclist, with her left arm, as the cyclist was passing her.

HeavenIsAHalfpipe · 02/03/2023 19:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/03/2023 19:16

@HufflePuffllePuff, she admitted making contact.

Do people not bother their holes checking facts anymore?

This. ^ And you can see at the end of the bit of footage that she shoves her. I can't believe some people are denying seeing this, and making excuses for this hideous woman. Utterly baffling. Confused

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 19:21

NoBoatsOnSunday · 02/03/2023 19:17

I don’t think you can say without a shadow of a doubt that there was a push, which is no doubt why she wasn’t charged with murder.

On balance though, it does look an awful lot like she shoved the cyclist, with her left arm, as the cyclist was passing her.

To be charged with murder I think they have to prove that you intended to kill them.

Yoyo2021 · 02/03/2023 19:22

She has no learning needs or mental problems.

She decided not only to shout but to push the cyclist straight into the road which is full of traffic - no one deserves that.

She cause the death of another human being AND a life of hell for the innocent person that was driving that car on the day.

Lock that prison door and throw away the key.

Logicoutofthewindow · 02/03/2023 19:23

The woman was found guilty by a jury who have seen all the evidence. If you watch the clip in the link on a larger screen you can see that she PUSHES the cyclist at the end of the clip and the cyclist falls into the road into the path of a car. She dies.

Stop with the victim blaming. She is not here to speak for herself but the video clip shows what happened. There is also the witness driving the car.

HeavenIsAHalfpipe · 02/03/2023 19:23

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 19:21

To be charged with murder I think they have to prove that you intended to kill them.

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Hmmm, it kinda looks like she did ... Hmm With the way she veered towards her on the path, the way she yelled and swore, and the fact that she shoved her. I hope she appeals and it gets converted to a murder charge. And she gets 25 years. Probably the best we can hope for is about 7-8 years though. She definitely thinks she has done nothing wrong though. Batshit, that she thinks this. Even MORE batshit that anyone else does.

HeavenIsAHalfpipe · 02/03/2023 19:24

Yoyo2021 · 02/03/2023 19:22

She has no learning needs or mental problems.

She decided not only to shout but to push the cyclist straight into the road which is full of traffic - no one deserves that.

She cause the death of another human being AND a life of hell for the innocent person that was driving that car on the day.

Lock that prison door and throw away the key.

Amen to that!

Familyiness · 02/03/2023 19:24

@ReformedWaywardTeen She absolutely did have a helmet on.

NoBoatsOnSunday · 02/03/2023 19:25

Kois · 02/03/2023 15:45

Shouldn't have been on the pavement.

What a vile and stupid comment.

JackiePlace · 02/03/2023 19:26

@HufflePuffllePuff Exactly.
I still don't see any shoving taking place. @HeavenIsAHalfpipe can you screen shot the alleged shove and post it here?

Dominoeffecter · 02/03/2023 19:26

HufflePuffllePuff · 02/03/2023 19:14

Can you please point me to footage of where the pedestrian pushed the cyclist into the road?

There's none that I could find. It looked like she was gesticulating for her to get off the path (and the path didn't look like a double wide cycle path) so pedestrians had priority surely especially a partially sighted one.

It was a horrendous thing to happen to the poor woman but she would have seen the pedestrian coming towards her (she didn't jump out in front of her) so should have braked and stopped to let her past. If she was going so fast that she couldn't and couldn't control her bike then that wasn't the pedestrian's fault.

Did she expect to carry on cycling straight at the pedestrian and for her to jump out of the way? I cycle and always slow down right down when approaching people and dogs even on a big cycling path because you never know if they're going to change direction right in front of you.

What would have happened to the cyclist if she'd mown down and killed or injured a partially sighted pedestrian with cerebral palsy on a path?

if the pedestrian survived in a collision on the path but the cyclist had fallen off and fell into the road in front of a car, would the pedestrian have been charged for not moving out of the way?

For all we know the pedestrian could have had incidents with bikes on the path before so was affected by that.

I just don't understand why the cyclist didn't stop of her own accord before she came that close to the pedestrian, she was not forced into the road. I would have moved to the side and stopped to let them past.

As for not stopping, the pedestrian may have been in shock and saw other people going to her. Who knows what went through her mind. Not sure how I would react if I'd just seen someone go under a car in front of me, was traumatised for days seeing a cat get knocked over by a car coming the other way.

The sentence is a disgrace IMO and I hope she appeals.

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I hope she does and gets a longer sentence, she was not being cycled ‘directly at’ You should be embarrassed spouting nonsense like this, justifying manslaughter!!

Misunderstoodagain · 02/03/2023 19:27

Was not an accident in anyway. Actions have consequences. I work with learning disability and autism and most know right from wrong. This lady may have cerbral palsy but did not have a learning disability. The consquence of her actions led to someone dying in horrific circumstances and then she left her there and went to do her food shop. Absolutely deserved the sentence.

Donnashair · 02/03/2023 19:27

HufflePuffllePuff · 02/03/2023 19:14

Can you please point me to footage of where the pedestrian pushed the cyclist into the road?

There's none that I could find. It looked like she was gesticulating for her to get off the path (and the path didn't look like a double wide cycle path) so pedestrians had priority surely especially a partially sighted one.

It was a horrendous thing to happen to the poor woman but she would have seen the pedestrian coming towards her (she didn't jump out in front of her) so should have braked and stopped to let her past. If she was going so fast that she couldn't and couldn't control her bike then that wasn't the pedestrian's fault.

Did she expect to carry on cycling straight at the pedestrian and for her to jump out of the way? I cycle and always slow down right down when approaching people and dogs even on a big cycling path because you never know if they're going to change direction right in front of you.

What would have happened to the cyclist if she'd mown down and killed or injured a partially sighted pedestrian with cerebral palsy on a path?

if the pedestrian survived in a collision on the path but the cyclist had fallen off and fell into the road in front of a car, would the pedestrian have been charged for not moving out of the way?

For all we know the pedestrian could have had incidents with bikes on the path before so was affected by that.

I just don't understand why the cyclist didn't stop of her own accord before she came that close to the pedestrian, she was not forced into the road. I would have moved to the side and stopped to let them past.

As for not stopping, the pedestrian may have been in shock and saw other people going to her. Who knows what went through her mind. Not sure how I would react if I'd just seen someone go under a car in front of me, was traumatised for days seeing a cat get knocked over by a car coming the other way.

The sentence is a disgrace IMO and I hope she appeals.

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The cult list didn’t need to stop as there was plenty of room for them both.

The gap between them closed because AG decided to approach her in an aggressive manner.

AG did make contact with her.

If the situation was reversed the cyclist would have been charged.

It doesn’t matter if AG had been hit by a cyclist before. That doesn’t give her the right to do what she did. And since that’s not mentioned in her defence at all, it can be assumed it hasn’t happened. You seem to be suggesting AG doesn’t have capacity to be out in her own and is a potential danger to people.

The cyclist did slow down. She clearly was forced into the road. Are you suggesting she just drove her bike into the road of her own accord? And that AG ms actions had no impact on?

AG didn’t just see a cyclist run over. She was an active part of the accident happening, she didn’t leave out of shock. She has believed all the way along, that how she acted was appropriate.

How can you argue the AG didn’t stop out of shock, but say the cyclist should have stopped. Maybe the cyclist was in shock at having an aggressive woman approach her?

How can shock be defence for one, but ignored for the other.

AGs actions led to someone’s death. It’s really that simple.

monsteramunch · 02/03/2023 19:29

@JackiePlace

She didn't come anywhere close to making contact. She pointed with her finger at the road.

And yet news reports confirm "Ms Grey believed she had made light contact with Mrs Ward."

She presumably knows better than you whether she came 'anywhere close to making contact'. She thinks she did.