To think this woman should not be put in prison?

[Nooyoiknooyoik]

Bizarre and very unfair Link

I don’t like cyclists on the pavement, wouldn’t endanger or cause one to get killed though

Can you post the link please? Ta

Totally irrelevant as this didn't happen. If it had happened and the cyclist had hit the disabled woman, knocked her over and she died, she would be done for manslaughter.

What 'might' have happened in a criminal case is irrelevant. They deal in facts.

www.huntspost.co.uk/news/23357897.huntingdon-pedestrian-jailed-death-cyclist-celia-ward/

Scummy people who lack morality are not jailed unless they commit an actual crime, therefore the judge’s comments re remorse are irrelevant.

Not in a sentencing. There's no mandatory sentence for manslaughter but a lack of remorse can be seen as an aggravating factor; as, I'm sure, was the fact that she walked away from the scene of an accident.

If she did push the cyclist, irrespective of whether the cyclist was herself breaking the law and should have been on the path or not, then the conviction was just.

As to the sentencing and the punishment, I'm less sure. Whether custodial sentences work as a one-size-fits-all penalty is probably a separate question for a separate thread. Her actions were found to have led to someone's death - whether or rightly or not I'm not competent to judge - and the law cannot allow that to stand, but this woman is disabled and clearly vulnerable.

I'm unconvinced that the punishment fits the crime on this occasion. It's also very, very sad for the family of the poor woman who died, and for the car driver.

I said that cars and scooters, not motorcycles, can use the pavement. They can. Cars park. Mobility, electric and kid's scooters are allowed on the pavement.

Pedestrians are not permitted to damage parked cars or push people off the pavement into ongoing traffic. Just because you think/believe something, doesn't make it true.🙄

I am sure AG didn’t mean to kill her.

But her actions led to the woman’s death. And it’s should be fairly obvious that approaching a cyclist waving your arms and ‘making contact’ with them is likely to make them fall off.

doing it near a road is likely to result in an accident with a car.

There was no need for AG to cross the pavement to the cyclist. She only did it because she believed she had a right to dictate who should be on the path and who should not.

AG showed no remorse and maintained her ‘possessiveness’ of the pavement and used it to justify it. She left the scene, again showing no remorse and trying to remove herself from the situation.

Most people would be devastated if their actions led to the death of someone. AG still believed her actions were justifiable.

And even if the victim shouldn’t have been on the pavement, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to cause her into oncoming traffic.

Yes, I just watched that one with the tiny bit of extra footage at the end and I now think she should have been charged with murder...

The only legal expert is the judge and he isn't talking shit.

@Nooyoiknooyoik You asked are you being unreasonable to think that she shouldn't be put in prison, and yet people are saying 'yes, you are being unreasonable,' Yet you say 'no, I'm not!' Why bother asking then? You have already made up your mind that the poor woman should be set free, because (in your eyes) she has done nothing wrong. 🙄

In my opinion, yes, she SHOULD have been put in prison. Yes, it was a horrible accident, and she certainly didn't intend to kill the lady on the bike, but she was angry and shouty, (unnecessarily so,) and she scared the poor woman, so much so that she tipped over into the traffic, got hit by a car, and died.

The fact that the jailed woman didn't even bother to stop to make sure she was OK and has tried to make excuses for her behaviour, by going on about certain health problems makes it even worse. She knew what she was doing, and she didn't give a shit about this woman. I think she should have got longer, to be honest with you. Awful woman. 😒

Like women who wear short skirts? FFS.🙄

She should absolutely be put in prison. Watching the video, you can see that the pedestrian swiped out at the cyclist, it's unclear if her swipe connected. However even if it didn't, it's a natural reaction to duck out of the way of an oncoming strike or swipe. The evasive action that the cyclist took as a result of the pedestrians action ultimately led to her death.

On top of that, not that's it's a crime of course, but shocking nonetheless, she left her to die. What kind of vile human being would walk off and leave the scene? She deserves everything she gets.

Seriously @JackiePlace 🤯 she pushed her to her death.

Who gives a fuck if the cyclist shouldn’t have been on the pavement, who gives one tiny single little fuck.

She did not deserve to pushed out onto traffic.

I should add actually, she lashed out at the woman on the bike too! She didn't just yell at her.

I completely dissagree.

The woman was sent down because she caused a cyclist to panic and swerve into the road, under an oncoming vehicle......which killed the cyclist.

The cyclist was elderly, she may have panicked when Grey yelled at her to get off the pavement, causing her to swerve into traffic.

People with conditions should never be exempt from consequences if they cause death or serious injury to an innocent person.

It would cause complete uproar.

Cyclists are allowed to be on footpaths that are designated as shared footpaths, as this one appears to be.

And even if a cyclist is wrongly on the pavement, which does not seem to be the case here, it’s not okay to kill them.

HTH.

@JackiePlace Shouting at her may have been predicable if it was not a shared pavement, however the woman punched out her arm and gave the cyclist the impression she was going to be punched. It was predicable that a fist or arm coming in your direction may hit you if you don't take evasive action. Unfortunately the only evasion was a busy road.

It wasn't an accident though. She shouted at her before pushing her into the road. A woman lost her life and another poor woman, the driver has likely been left traumatised. Anyone that can cause such devastation and then continue on shopping should lose their liberty for a period of time.

The fact that she left the scene of the accident before emergency services arrived leaving the lady to die in the road shows that she really doesn't give a shit about anyone except herself. She deserves prison.

*forcing her not pushing

Thanks for the video link. I cannot see any shoving taking place.
It appears the cyclist panicked after being shouted at and swerved into the road, which was entirely her own fault.
My condolences to the lady's family. I'm sue she was the nice person they describe but sadly due to the actions of so many irresponsible cyclists over the years, pedestrians are now walking around in fear of their own lives.

Sociopaths live among us

This vicious bastard who beat a woman to death got 3 years 8 months: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46591150

The judge and jury decided it wasn't, so no, you're wrong. Her actions caused the death of another person and therefore she (and you) needs to accept the punishment, in this case a custodial sentence.