To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Bizarre and very unfair Link

So if the police and the council couldn't decide - why should this woman have KNOWN?

If you read the other massive thread about this - people who live there say further up is clearly a shared path and there are no signs saying to dismount or indicating it now isn't a shared path. People screaming 'she shouldn't have been on the pavement' or 'she broke the law' are missing this point entirely

Regardless the woman screamed abuse at her and admitted 'contact' - the judge - with all the evidence - judge that she pushed her - and a woman died

It's manslaughter and should be judged as such.

Did she/didn’t she semantics aside, leaving the scene of a road accident in which you were a participant is an offence in itself.

Do any of the “poor woman is a victim’ posters here really think that leaving someone dying in the road and then going shopping as if nothing has happened is ok? Really?

Even if she hadn’t been sentenced to a prison term, that alone makes her a vile human being.

just a word about the poor car driver who would have had no chance to react, but ends up running over (and killing) the cyclist.

It’s a tragedy. She did nothing wrong. That woman should not have been on the pavement end of discussion. She also should not have riding a bike if she got easily spooked. To put a disabled woman in prison for doing nothing wrong is absolutely vile. I never move for cyclists on pavements and I won’t they belong on the road not the pavement.

I don't think that BBC video is showing what people think it. The reporter positions herself in the middle of the pavement, yet a cyclist could pass easily. To me that confirms what I saw in the CCTV video. There was plenty of space for pedestrian and cyclist, the pedestrian was being very possessive of the pavement and trying to police the cyclist. Unfortunately she succeeded in forcing the cyclist off the pavement into the path of an oncoming vehicle. The cyclist would not have seen the car but the pedestrian would have. She may not have intended or planned to kill the cyclist but that is what she did. She is lucky to get only 3years.
You may not agree with cyclists being on the pavement but it's not you job to police them and force them into the road.

Would you people defending her have the same defence for her if she had pushed a child onto the road? She’s partially sighted so she had NO idea who was coming towards her.

She’s in the middle of the pavement and could easily have moved in to let the lady past but the video shows her veering towards her and making contact.

So if the police and the council couldn't decide - why should this woman have KNOWN apologies I miss read the post I quoted but on the other thread it was stated several times that neither the police or council could confirm it was/wasn't a shared path

Jeez! How many times! It’s a shared cycle path! She had every right to be cycling there!!!

She should absolutely be jailed.

Her deliberate actions caused the cyclists death. And the poor driver that hit her will never forget it either!

If it was a drug-addicted woman in her 20s (for example) that shouted obscene language and caused that accident I doubt there'd be many questioning the sentence then.

"That woman should not have been on the pavement end of discussion."

No, not "end of discussion at all" if you bother to read the tread and see this reply from a PP who actually lives there!!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4754508-to-think-this-woman-should-not-be-put-in-prison?reply=124323216

The judge didn't judge that she pushed her. If he had then there would be reports of it, rather than of her swearing and gesturing.

I was originally with you because cyclists don't belong on the pavement (I say that as a former cyclist). Then I read that it might have been a shared cycleway and neither the council nor the police could confirm it wasn't, so it's fair enough the cyclist thought it was.

Fuck the pedestrian. She deserves what she got. There's too much aggression out there towards cyclists quietly and legally going about their business, just because of their form of transport. The pedestrian evidently thought she was perfectly justified in what she did, because she swanned off to do some shopping. Well, she wasn't so, again, fuck her.

You can clearly see the path in the video doesn't look anything like a shared pathway.

I disagree.

From the video, particularly slowed down to half speed, it looks a lot like a push BUT is not conclusive, certainly not to the point where you could prove murder beyond all reasonable doubt.

I expect she was charged with manslaughter because the aggressive swearing and gesturing was far more easily provable, and the reporting of the case in the press stems from that decision. Had the field of view of the CCTV camera been a bit wider I think there’s every chance this would have been a murder charge and conviction.

At the beginning of the clip she was further towards the inside of the pavement and as she walked she got closer to the cyclist.

I think she's bloody lucky to have only got three years.

But nobody can claim that the court has decided that she pushed the cyclist, because (unless it's just not been reported) they've not decided that.

And since the court's seen all the evidence and we haven't, and the police will have examined that video as closely as possible, we can be fairly certain that they've decided there's insufficient evidence of a push.

Yes, I agree.

I think she likely pushed the cyclist but there’s insufficient evidence to prove it. Easily sufficient evidence for the manslaughter conviction though.

I don’t think anyone is claiming that the court has decided she pushed the cyclist, because then we’d be talking about a murder conviction.

It’s not end of discussion. And even if she wasn’t allowed in the path (which isn’t clear) you can’t ‘make contact’ with someone which ends with them in the road, getting them killed and walk away and it be ok.

Do you really believe if a cyclist is doing something wrong, their lives fair game?

and it seems you are suggesting that disabled people can not be held accountable for their actions? There’s no blanket rule that says this. The woman was out alone and lives alone. She clearly has capacity.

What would the alternative be if it’s deemed she doesn’t have capacity and can’t help pushing people in the road?

Or she's just got a very odd gait - which she clearly has.

The cyclist may also have altered course slightly to negotiate the dropped kerbs at the entrance to the NHS place.

I can’t believe this thread exists!!! I have seen the footage and I was traumatised. Just imagine if everyone that doesn’t like you goes and pushes you to incoming traffic. Then she goes on to do her groceries. She is an awful human being and on top of that she tries to make disable people look back. No madam, people with cerebral palsy are not psychopaths thanks.

killing someone when driving drunk is also an accident. Let them off too?

This is the exact spot of the incident. The CCTV was filmed by the NHS building on the left. The people on the pavement are walking where the confrontation took place on Nursery Road. This is clearly not a designated shared cycleway. Looking at the image there is no justifiable reason why a 'competent' cyclist would have been riding toward pedestrians on that path. Especially as she would have had to leave the road to ride on it.

She pushed her. She admitted "making contact".

Omg I've just seen it. That was no accident.