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To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

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ittakes2 · 02/03/2023 18:12

I felt this was a very sad situation. Yes it was awful she did that with her arm since they were so close to the road and anyone could guess that would be a dangerous thing to do. I feel for the cyclists family but I must admit I would have thought the cyclist would have gotten off their bike when near this woman as there seemed so little room between the woman and the road. I also thought cyclists don't normally cycle on footpaths? I think its a tragedy all round.

Fastingstarted · 02/03/2023 18:13

What I can’t work out, is what would have happened otherwise; The pedestrian has right of way, and had she been walking along without gesticulating, the cyclist would have presumably hit her or the lamp post. She showed no sign of slowing or stopping.

She should have slowed for this, or been pushing her bike.

The pedestrian wasn’t gesticulating wildly, I could see someone on a phone call or walking with a friend behaving similarly. To me it feels like a tragic accident, largely caused by the cyclist herself trying to seemingly cycle extremely closely between a pedestrian and a road, when she didn’t need to.

AlwaysGinPlease · 02/03/2023 18:14

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

Are you kidding?! That disgusting creature pushed the cyclist in front of the car. People who say it's not fair , would you be saying it if it was your relative she'd killed?

Jooliusreezer · 02/03/2023 18:14

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 17:27

'Contact' isn't the same as 'pushing' though. The bike brushing against the pedestrian's sleeve would be 'contact'.

No she did not walk in front of her, the woman rode along side, and fell on the uneven cover! @Jooliusreezer

Have you seen the full cctv? She crossed over the pavement towards the cyclist, in order to shout and sweat, ‘gesture’ and ‘make contact’. She pushes her, the cyclist falls into the road.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/03/2023 18:15

CharlotteRose90 · 02/03/2023 17:46

It’s a tragedy. She did nothing wrong. That woman should not have been on the pavement end of discussion. She also should not have riding a bike if she got easily spooked. To put a disabled woman in prison for doing nothing wrong is absolutely vile. I never move for cyclists on pavements and I won’t they belong on the road not the pavement.

Saying end of discussion doesn't make what you say true. Cyclists, scooters and even cars can use the pavement.

Their presence does not entitle pedestrians to break the law by damaging vehicles or pushing people into oncoming traffic.

Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 02/03/2023 18:15

even if it wasn't a shared footpath and was entirely for pedestrians you can't push cyclists breaking the law by cycling on the footpath in front of cars

AnybodyAnywhere · 02/03/2023 18:18

There is a pavement near me that cyclists use rather than cycle on a busy 40mph road. They piss me off when I have to squeeze into the hedge so they can pass and I often give them a head shake and eye roll 🙄. But I have NEVER considered forcing one off the pavement into traffic.

Yes, she deserves prison, not only for causing the ‘accident’ but also for buggering off and getting her shopping while the cyclist lay dying (or dead) and the driver was likely in deep shock.

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 18:18

The victim blaming on this thread is something to behold.

A lot of you need to look at yourselves very carefully indeed.

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 18:20

The pedestrian has right of way, and had she been walking along without gesticulating, the cyclist would have presumably hit her or the lamp post. She showed no sign of slowing or stopping

The cyclist DID slow (and remember she was in her 70s so may have had good reactions, or may not) and the pedestrian deliberately walked into her path. I'd like to think this would stop "path-hogging" but I am not confident.

I said on the other thread I was a bit surprised about the sentence given the pedestrian was disabled (and partially sighted) but we haven't heard the evidence and the judge did.

ShakespearesBlister · 02/03/2023 18:21

Cottagecheeseisnotcheese · 02/03/2023 18:15

even if it wasn't a shared footpath and was entirely for pedestrians you can't push cyclists breaking the law by cycling on the footpath in front of cars

It was not concluded by the judge that she pushed the cyclist.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 18:22

I think it’s pretty disgusting that after the death she carried on walking and went to Sainsbury’s to do her shopping

AlwaysGinPlease · 02/03/2023 18:22

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 18:18

The victim blaming on this thread is something to behold.

A lot of you need to look at yourselves very carefully indeed.

Agreed. It's actually shocking to read some of the comments. Shameful.

She also showed no remorse and was only sorry for herself. That poor lady, that video made me cry.

GrinAndVomit · 02/03/2023 18:23

Kois · 02/03/2023 15:45

Shouldn't have been on the pavement.

Wow
Pro capital punishment for cycling on the path.
That’s pretty hardline.

AlwaysGinPlease · 02/03/2023 18:23

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 18:22

I think it’s pretty disgusting that after the death she carried on walking and went to Sainsbury’s to do her shopping

😳 omg I didn't know that. What an evil bitch.

Jimboscott0115 · 02/03/2023 18:24

She got what was probably the correct sentence give or take. Anyone suggesting otherwise doesn't understand law, culpability or have general critical thinking skills.

The issue here is she's a cyclist so automatically wrong in some narrow minded eyes.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 18:25

AlwaysGinPlease · 02/03/2023 18:23

😳 omg I didn't know that. What an evil bitch.

It says it on the article

MoreSleepPleasee · 02/03/2023 18:25

I think if she would have stayed with her while she was dying instead of leaving the scene I'd have more sympathy.

NoBoatsOnSunday · 02/03/2023 18:26

ShakespearesBlister · 02/03/2023 18:08

This is the exact spot of the incident. The CCTV was filmed by the NHS building on the left. The people on the pavement are walking where the confrontation took place on Nursery Road. This is clearly not a designated shared cycleway. Looking at the image there is no justifiable reason why a 'competent' cyclist would have been riding toward pedestrians on that path. Especially as she would have had to leave the road to ride on it.

If the police, council and courts can’t determine whether or not it was a shared use path, I don’t know why ShakespearsBlister’s opinion is meant to be persuasive.

One thing we can glean from the photo though is that the pathway is actually spacious, to the point where at least 3 larger people should be able to walk along it, side by side, even at the points where there are lampposts.

This was a senseless killing.

caffelattetogo · 02/03/2023 18:26

Looks like she pushed her on the video.

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 18:26

The car driver was there who ran over her. Maybe she thought the accident had nothing to do with her.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 18:27

Plus she only got three years. Tbf I’m pretty concerned that she was ‘possessive of the pavement’ too. Sounds like she has issues in general

Luluem · 02/03/2023 18:27

Which is why it’s manslaughter not murder, because it’s an accident that’s caused a death. If she had waited for emergency services she might not have got anything at all

NattyNamechanger · 02/03/2023 18:27

TheGreatATuin · 02/03/2023 17:13

I'm horrified by some of the reactions on this thread. Some spaces are shared by cyclists and pedestrians.
The result of this woman's actions were easily foreseeable. If you shout and swear and deliberately make physical contact with a cyclist who is close to a busy road, then it is very likely that they will fall into oncoming traffic.
At best, the cyclist would have had to swerve to avoid contact. It was an incredibly foolish and dangerous thing to do to her, and even worse, considering that there was no evidence that cycles weren't even allowed on the path.
I think a custodial sentence is essential tbh, based on this thread alone. No one has the right to endanger someone else like that. They just don't.
I'd hope that some of the posters on this thread take that on board.

I totally agree.
She was hostile and aggressive and her direct actions forced the other woman into the path of a car.
Dreadful
The poor lady, the car driver and the family Flowers

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 02/03/2023 18:29

The judge in his closing remarks said it was a shared cycleway

Namechangethisevening · 02/03/2023 18:29

She absolutely should be on prison.

"She left the scene and went to buy groceries"

If this lady had stopped, tried to help the injured cyclist who was lying dying, then I would have more sympathy.

But after causing the cyclist to swerve into oncoming traffic, she just left her there to die and went off to buy her shopping.

I don't care of you are 20 or 80, leaving the scene is horrendous.

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