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To think this woman should not be put in prison?

960 replies

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

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Blossomtoes · 02/03/2023 17:23

Untitledsquatboulder · 02/03/2023 17:21

Where are the markings? It looks like a normal bit of pavement.

There are signs on street furniture at intervals all round it. It goes all the way round the ring road.

Jooliusreezer · 02/03/2023 17:24

Also the guilty woman crossed the pavement in order to get into the path of the cyclist. She created the issue, she pushed the woman (admitted in court), she caused the woman’s death, then she walked away while she was dying.

Her disability is irrelevant.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 17:24

Plenanna · 02/03/2023 17:19

You really think a violent career criminal who has physically assaulted police and members of the public is less of a threat to society than a disabled woman who swore and gestured at a cyclist without touching them?

No but I do think manslaughter should carry a strong sentence

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 17:27

'Contact' isn't the same as 'pushing' though. The bike brushing against the pedestrian's sleeve would be 'contact'.

No she did not walk in front of her, the woman rode along side, and fell on the uneven cover! @Jooliusreezer

Ivyiris · 02/03/2023 17:29

Pretty heartless to walk away from that

Plenanna · 02/03/2023 17:29

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 17:24

No but I do think manslaughter should carry a strong sentence

I fail to see how it can be manslaughter when she didn’t touch the cyclist.

Nevercloser · 02/03/2023 17:30

Remorse or lack of does not affect if or what crime has been committed.
Scummy people who lack morality are not jailed unless they commit an actual crime, therefore the judge’s comments re remorse are irrelevant. Also, his comments about road users are similarly irrelevant as the women were on the pavement. I would expect judge Enright to use accurate language in his closing address. The cyclist , according to the Highway Code, should have given way to the pedestrian.
Did anyone see the BBC report today where Kate Bradbrook reported from the scene and a cyclist passed her, very close, very fast. If Ms Grey had encountered such behaviour previously, I’m wouldn’t be surprised if, as a partially sighted, disabled person, she was frightened.

RandomUsernameHere · 02/03/2023 17:30

Jooliusreezer · 02/03/2023 17:24

Also the guilty woman crossed the pavement in order to get into the path of the cyclist. She created the issue, she pushed the woman (admitted in court), she caused the woman’s death, then she walked away while she was dying.

Her disability is irrelevant.

This. She should have been given a longer prison term in my opinion.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/03/2023 17:31

YABU, you can't go around pushing people off the pavement into the path of oncoming traffic.

CobraChicken · 02/03/2023 17:31

Plenanna · 02/03/2023 17:29

I fail to see how it can be manslaughter when she didn’t touch the cyclist.

She admitted she did!

But anyway - doesn't need to have been physical contact to have been manslaughter. A push (rather than the admitted "slight contact") would have made it murder.

BrigitteBond · 02/03/2023 17:32

Nevercloser · 02/03/2023 17:30

Remorse or lack of does not affect if or what crime has been committed.
Scummy people who lack morality are not jailed unless they commit an actual crime, therefore the judge’s comments re remorse are irrelevant. Also, his comments about road users are similarly irrelevant as the women were on the pavement. I would expect judge Enright to use accurate language in his closing address. The cyclist , according to the Highway Code, should have given way to the pedestrian.
Did anyone see the BBC report today where Kate Bradbrook reported from the scene and a cyclist passed her, very close, very fast. If Ms Grey had encountered such behaviour previously, I’m wouldn’t be surprised if, as a partially sighted, disabled person, she was frightened.

The pavement is part of the road and both pedestrians and cyclists are still classed as road users when on the pavement.

Bemyclementine · 02/03/2023 17:32

I'm sure some opinions would be different had it been a large man intimidating an elderly cyclist.

People are not supposed to cycle on pavements, but if I saw an older person, or child, cycling towards me on a pavement, I'd stand to the side and carry on my way.

ReneBumsWombats · 02/03/2023 17:34

Plenanna · 02/03/2023 17:29

I fail to see how it can be manslaughter when she didn’t touch the cyclist.

Even if she didn't, coming at her swearing and widely gesturing could be enough to force her into the road. But from the footage, I think she did push her. Her foot moves off the pavement as if she's transferring her weight to get some force in.

Plenanna · 02/03/2023 17:34

Strawberrysosweet · 02/03/2023 15:47

@Blort she didn’t ‘tell her off.’ That is massively minimising.

She literally shoved her into oncoming traffic. She meant her harm.

Did she thought? Did she push her? Or just yell and gesture?

mydogisthebest · 02/03/2023 17:35

Sad that the cyclist died but she should NOT have been on the bloody pavement in the first place.

Cyclists full of their own self importance piss me off. Too many times I have had them hurtle at speed behind me and nearly hit me or my dog. On pavements and footpaths that have clear signs saying "no cycling". Selfish idiots.

The Judge said it was a cycle path but considering the police and the council didn't think it was it seems the Judge was wrong

BrigitteBond · 02/03/2023 17:36

ReneBumsWombats · 02/03/2023 17:34

Even if she didn't, coming at her swearing and widely gesturing could be enough to force her into the road. But from the footage, I think she did push her. Her foot moves off the pavement as if she's transferring her weight to get some force in.

Or just moving with her awkward gait. Or twisting her body to take up less room on the path and allow the cycle past.

Dora33 · 02/03/2023 17:36

It wasn't an accident. The sentence was just as she caused the death of the other lady by intentionally pushing her.

WisherWood · 02/03/2023 17:37

Looks nothing like a cycle path

Most cycle paths don't look like cycle paths, at least in the UK. Most aren't fit for purpose. You can check out some of the others here, I've linked to one I chose at random, but as you can see, cycle paths are often narrow and shite wcc.crankfoot.xyz/facility-of-the-month/January2018.htm

That also applies to shared used paths. And IME, many people are very unobservant when it comes to working out what is cycle path and what isn't. They'll quite happily tell you to get off the pavement when you're on either a shared use path or a cycle path.

NoBoatsOnSunday · 02/03/2023 17:38

I agree with others, that from the video it looks a lot like she pushed the cyclist (and even she admits that she made contact). It’s worth slowing the video down to half speed.

She’s lucky that the CCTV angle is unclear, she’s probably gotten away with murder.

Everyonesinvited · 02/03/2023 17:39

I don't think she deserves to be serving that sentence. All the men who get off for rape and assault and she waved her arm with tragic consequences. Community service would have been sufficient.

ReneBumsWombats · 02/03/2023 17:40

Everyonesinvited · 02/03/2023 17:39

I don't think she deserves to be serving that sentence. All the men who get off for rape and assault and she waved her arm with tragic consequences. Community service would have been sufficient.

I think the answer is better sentencing and conviction for rape, not less for manslaughter.

Everyonesinvited · 02/03/2023 17:41

It's also looking like the bike was on a pavement and probably looked to her like a fast approaching threat to her safety. She doesn't look like she can jump out of the way. It's very sad.

NellietheElephantpackedhertrunks · 02/03/2023 17:41

Strawberrysosweet · 02/03/2023 15:47

@Blort she didn’t ‘tell her off.’ That is massively minimising.

She literally shoved her into oncoming traffic. She meant her harm.

Not sure, the footage cut out just before the crucial point so we can’t see whether she pushed her (in which case, manslaughter) or just gestured angrily then the cyclist freaked out and deliberately veered into the road.

Everyonesinvited · 02/03/2023 17:41

ReneBumsWombats · 02/03/2023 17:40

I think the answer is better sentencing and conviction for rape, not less for manslaughter.

I agree with the former but there is no parity.

Pleasecreateausername13 · 02/03/2023 17:42

Watched the video, she actually pushed her into the road. Deserved sentence for me.

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