Childfree people ranting about parents

[the7Vabo]

Came across a thread on another site full of people ranting about children entitled “parents not everything is about you.” I get it to a point, as a parent I think society has become somewhat a overly child-centred. I assume however that the odd stories you see about parents demanding people give up train seats for ten year olds are just that, the odd story of unreasonable behaviour that people in all groups can be guilty of.

The extent of the comments on that thread baffled me. Full of I’m so glad I don’t have children because X, Y. It’s one thing to want to be child free which to me is a perfectly valid life choice, but I’m baffled by the level of bitching about parents & children. If someone wants to be child free why can’t they simply be child free & accept that others didn’t make that choice instead of ranting about how parents are always on at them about how fulfilled they are while at the same time ranting about how terrible it would be to have kids.

Oh absolutely ! - but that only works if the parent had a seat? But I was assuming the pp was describing a situation where there was no seat and both parent and child were standing?

my reasons for refusing were first, that I had paid to travel whereas children travel free, which I believe entitles me to a seat more than them

unmmm no , that is seriously out of order. Seats should be allocated in priority of who is more or less able to stand. Many elderly people don’t pay for buses etc as they have a bus pass. Would you refuse to give up your seat to an elderly person on the grounds that you paid for it so are more entitled to the seat? Disgraceful attitude.

The second half of your 40s is hardly elderly, children need more rest and sleep than adults, even very old ones like yourself 😬 and the whole I paid for my seat he didn't is petulant and childish.

I wouldnt ask someone to give up a seat for my child, but if a child had autism, hypermobility, ADHD or other things you can't see I can see why a parent would ask.

In your previous comment you said the parent should give up the seat for their child but this parent didn't have a seat to give up.

You didn't give up your seat, unless she was the abusive towards you she asked, you said no, what's the problem there?

We were all kids once, don't you remember being a child? Being annoyed at kids in this way makes me wonder if people genuinely don't remember being a tired kid standing on a bus after a long day and no control over your own day. Being annoyed at the parent fair enough but actually being annoyed at kids I find so strange.

I don't have any issue with childfree people being here, you make a good point on it being a man free space which is hard to find, makes sense!

Tbh, I would’ve go through a thread meant to remind parents that ‘it’s not all about you’ because that’s the whole definition of the role/title, it’s about the children.

Im not going to read through this post either but i bet there were people in there asking why children should have priority over their ‘fur babies’ 😝

Apparently there was a a thread on twitter a few weeks ago where someone got stick for posting how nice their life is without children. I don’t see the need as it felt like they feel like they need to justify their choice although no one asked them

We were all kids once, don't you remember being a child?

Yeah and we would get right telling off if we didn't lift our arses to let adults sit in a bus.

Unrelated why does kid with adhd need to sit? It's not stopping me or other adhd people from standing?

They may not NEED to sit but it would be much safer for them and nicer for the rest of the bus if they're having a serious struggle standing in 1 place and climbing/jumping, whatever. Im talking an overtired dysregulated 6 year old not an adult whose had 40 years to learn coping strategies.

Apparently there was a a thread on twitter a few weeks ago where someone got stick for posting how nice their life is without children. I don’t see the need as it felt like they feel like they need to justify their choice although no one asked them

Are you saying childfree people shouldn’t post about how they enjoy their life without children? Why not?

Yeah still no.

I can't wait to see job market in uk in 20 years

It's only parents who are allowed to talk about their choices "5 reason why i love being a parent"😁

I know right? Won't it be awful of instead of allowing kids with ADHD and autism to fall through the cracks they're supported to do their best and achieve? Particularly terrible to consider a child's safety eh? How will we staff McDonald's in future 🤔🙄

It's the framing your happiness around something you're NOT doing. It'd be like me starting a post about how happy I am not to keep rabbits. How lush my garden is without them jumping round and digging. Like, ok but if I didn't care about having rabbits why would it matter?

Choldfree by choice is surely just living your life but choosing not to take 1 of many options? Why does not taking that option become the source of your happines? It's odd that having children still figures so highly in the thought processes of the childfree by choice. Before I decided to have kids I'd sometimes fleetingly think 'god I couldn't do this if I'd kids to run after, thank God I'm good with contraception....' but that would be how much it would figure.

Totally not about autism or adhd.

I also have adhd🤷🏻

Deciding whether or not to have children is a hugely more significant life choice than deciding whether or not to keep rabbits. Stupid comparison. A better one would be those who choose to remain single rather than be in a relationship. Do you feel the same way about them talking about the advantages of their choice? Or do you think they should just shut up about it?

If most people would be telling you it's weird you don't have rabbits because rabbits are the future and the best thing, you selfish person, and you can't possibly lead full life without rabbits, and are you even like adult actually if you don't have rabbits, you would sometimes get annoyed and say why you don't have rabbits and that you are perfectly happy without rabbits.

This.

Does not getting a seat really lead to all this?
For what it is worth I think it is nice to give up a seat to those who need it more.
But that poster said they are tired from work and it doesn't matter if you think late forties is too young to feel tired, she clearly does not think an average child's need is greater. Like most posters I also gave up my seat to adults as a child - this was fine most of the time too.

I don't have any issue with childfree people being here, you make a good point on it being a man free space which is hard to find, makes sense!

Apologies, the last part of my post was very grumpy! Thank you for responding with rather better grace than me.

I'm sorry can you point to where you so confidently know this child had either autism or adhd and also to where @Applesandcarrots has said she wants children like that to fall through the cracks and also where its her responsibility to support other people's children to do their best and achieve (assuming she's not a teacher of course)?

Yeh because we used to live in a world where children should be “seen and not heard”, and it was acceptable to cane a child with a stick at school. Is that still the case? No, because we recognise that children are humans , entitled to the same care and dignity as everyone else.

Seats on public transport should be allocated in priority of need. End of. A healthy, able bodied, non-elderly adult is far more capable of standing on public transport than a small child.

I kind of wish we were still in "seen not heard" but about kids' tablets on public transport😂
All the kid's video characters are shouting. Why can't characters just talk normally. And into headphones.

If that's the route we're going, then they need to provide some adult-only/childfree buses. All the parents of children can fight among themselves over whose child has the greater need for a seat, while the rest of us, "who don't know what tiredness is", can travel home in peace.

Should we have some only able bodied people buses as well? And some for only young adults and no pregnant people?

Alternatively we could just all treat each other with basic consideration and respect. Child, adult, elderly, pregnant, whoever.

Like leaving a person after day of work to sit on a seat they have?

Yeah, I am all for basic considerations