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Childfree people ranting about parents

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the7Vabo · 22/02/2023 09:59

Came across a thread on another site full of people ranting about children entitled “parents not everything is about you.” I get it to a point, as a parent I think society has become somewhat a overly child-centred. I assume however that the odd stories you see about parents demanding people give up train seats for ten year olds are just that, the odd story of unreasonable behaviour that people in all groups can be guilty of.

The extent of the comments on that thread baffled me. Full of I’m so glad I don’t have children because X, Y. It’s one thing to want to be child free which to me is a perfectly valid life choice, but I’m baffled by the level of bitching about parents & children. If someone wants to be child free why can’t they simply be child free & accept that others didn’t make that choice instead of ranting about how parents are always on at them about how fulfilled they are while at the same time ranting about how terrible it would be to have kids.

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YoMommaHere · 22/02/2023 18:54

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IDontDrinkTea · 22/02/2023 18:56

LoveHearts69 · 22/02/2023 18:46

You sure? Do you see any of these gross personal comments about other women’s bodies on the actually very funny and supportive baby thread? Thought not.

Good grief. It’s bad enough someone’s written postnatal women’s bodies are deformed and disgusting. But the fact 23 people liked the comment is even more shocking. This really is the very depths of humanity isn’t it

BadNomad · 22/02/2023 18:56

That first comment is pretty accurate though. The argument about raising doctors and nurses and benefiting society was even used on this thread. And it's true. Murderers and rapists don't hatch from eggs. They're born like everyone else.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 22/02/2023 18:57

I was only thinking on Monday that it had been a while since there'd been a 'bash the childfree' thread on here.

Applesandcarrots · 22/02/2023 18:57

LoveHearts69 · 22/02/2023 18:53

Because that’s what the OP was referring to.

Ah I thought it was something on here. Nvm

Goldenbear · 22/02/2023 18:59

Applesandcarrots of course they don't but I think you'll find a strong correlation between parents' contribution to society and their childrens' it is almost wishing that isn't the case for some just to prove their point. It is not fair and really morally questionable to pitch children as a different species a homogeneous group to like or dislike.

Goldenbear · 22/02/2023 19:01

I mean what kind of society doesn't want the best for all it's citizens so not wanting to deride parents and the childfree but also not wanting to deride a vulnerable group in society, why is that considered 'ok'.

OutsideLookingOut · 22/02/2023 19:02

LoveHearts69 · 22/02/2023 18:46

You sure? Do you see any of these gross personal comments about other women’s bodies on the actually very funny and supportive baby thread? Thought not.

First argument is true. Future child may not contribute to society- it is a rush you take.

the others are peoples fear - as long as they are respectful in person… I mean isn’t fear of pregnancy a real thing? Are people not allowed to dislike it?

MeinKraft · 22/02/2023 19:04

OopsAnotherOne · 22/02/2023 17:05

I honestly think that no matter what women do there will always be someone with something to say about it:

Has no children - "you'll never know true love until you're a parent", "it's selfish to live for yourself", "who will care for you when you're old", "you'll have no family to visit".

Has children - "why are you complaining? You made this choice!", "You chose to get pregnant, you stand up on the bus like everyone else", "I don't care if your circumstances have changed, if you can't feed 'em don't breed 'em!"

Has 1 child - "They'll be lonely!" "You can't expect them to grow up with no siblings!" "What about when you die, who will they have?"

Has 6 children - "I don't mind as long as they're not using taxpayer money to feed them", "probably wanting more benefits", "insert misogynistic and grotesque comments about the woman's vagina after having multiple children"

A stay at home mum - "You should do all the housework/childcare/admin as your partner works", "lazy", "you should be lucky your husband pays for you to stay at home!"

Working mum - "your child needs you at home!", "why have a baby if you're going to get someone else to raise them?", "is a job more important than time with your child?"

The point I'm making is that in someone's mind, whatever you do will be wrong somehow. But these people are all strangers, and if they're people you know in real life who are saying these things, set them straight. DO WHAT YOU WANT! It's your life, you only have one, you have to make the decision you feel is best for you without pressure or coercion and anyone with the ignorance to be nasty to someone regarding their valid decision, just because it isn't what they chose for themselves, needs to simmer down and realise they're not as important as they think they are. We are all independent people with different lives and circumstances, children fit better into some lives than others and it's nothing but the individual's decision which is important when the question of having or not having children is concerned.

As a woman in my early 20s, I think I'd like children one day. Most of what's put me off parenting is what I've heard from other parents who talk about how tired they are, how exhausted they feel, the sleepless nights, the school runs, the hit to your career etc. I still want to be a parent but that's why I'm solidifying my foundations in life first before I decide if I do want to try and have a baby.

I don't want to TTC for a few more years yet as I want to qualify in my chosen career and buy a house first, but also I have a medical condition which means I may end up being unable to conceive and have therefore developed the attitude of "it'll be great if I do have kids, but it'll also be great if I don't have kids" and I genuinely believe that. Although, of course, as someone who would like a child one day I would feel sad if I did find I was infertile, it's not my "be all and end all" and I have two vague plans for my life, one for if I am able to have a baby and a plan for if I'm not. Both plans seem great to me, both have their pros and cons and I'll await to see which one will come into fruition when we cross that bridge.

I've already faced nasty comments from people (mainly my nan and her friends) who were shocked and genuinely disgusted when I said I wasn't sure if I would have children when I was older. I didn't want to disclose my personal medical details about the fact I may be infertile, nor should I have to, but I was met with lots of confusion about what I would do with my life, comments about how a career isn't worth a fraction of what a child is etc. Just general, disheartening comments phrased to make me feel bad about a decision I have no say in.

This is such a good post. It's really no one else's business how many children anyone has, if any and it's not ok to comment anymore. It's all just a stick to beat women with anyway, nothing more and nothing less.

Goldenbear · 22/02/2023 19:05

It is not just about Doctors and nurses though, it is also about GDP, children become young people that contribute to that and that is about innovation as well as taxes.

LoveHearts69 · 22/02/2023 19:05

IDontDrinkTea · 22/02/2023 18:56

Good grief. It’s bad enough someone’s written postnatal women’s bodies are deformed and disgusting. But the fact 23 people liked the comment is even more shocking. This really is the very depths of humanity isn’t it

I know, it’s shocking isn’t it?! Like they’re technically talking about their own mothers bodies!

That’s just a tiny snippet of some of the hate on there, there’s a lot more referring to children as demons, imps and crotch goblins but I thought I’d just post a few recent highlights. As I said before, everyone has childfree friends and completely support the decision of anyone to be childfree…it’s really not a big deal at all anymore. But this level of vitriol towards mothers is scary tbh.

MeinKraft · 22/02/2023 19:06

BadNomad · 22/02/2023 18:56

That first comment is pretty accurate though. The argument about raising doctors and nurses and benefiting society was even used on this thread. And it's true. Murderers and rapists don't hatch from eggs. They're born like everyone else.

It is accurate! Made me laugh too. Maybe I should go and join Tattle Grin

BadNomad · 22/02/2023 19:08

People are equating those nasty attitudes with not having children. Not having children doesn't make you nasty. Nasty people are just nasty people. You know that one talking about gross pregnant bodies will think the same about fat people and old people. Her(?) lack of children has nothing to do with it.

Roominmyhouse · 22/02/2023 19:10

LoveHearts69 · 22/02/2023 18:46

You sure? Do you see any of these gross personal comments about other women’s bodies on the actually very funny and supportive baby thread? Thought not.

There have been multiple childfree by choice threads (current one is number 7 - threads get locked at 1000 posts) and you’ve selected a couple of posts from hundreds and are making out that the general tone of the conversation and it’s not. As always there are some more controversial posts but that’s not representative of the threads in general at all.

Goldenbear · 22/02/2023 19:10

Tbh I think that is a good point BadNomad

Ketchupwee · 22/02/2023 19:20

I do find it strange that some parents feel the need to try and pressure you into doing it, even if you have made it very clear that kids are not for you. It's like by not wanting them personally you are offending them by somehow criticising their own life choices and they need that validation.

Of course it often comes straight after listening to them moan about how awful it is having kids, with the constant drudgery, mess, noise, the lack of sleep, feeling touched out, constantly having 'mummy' whinged at you, struggling to manage childcare and the relentlessness of it all.

Each to their own but I'm not up for that thanks

YoMommaHere · 22/02/2023 19:22

I’ve just joined tattle and had a quick scan through a few threads after seeing those comments posted, and it’s all the same thing, playing the victim to alleged childfree bashers and their lovely weekends walking in the hills. They sound like very bored housewives who like to walk their house cats on leads 😂

CaputDraconis · 22/02/2023 19:27

YoMommaHere · 22/02/2023 19:22

I’ve just joined tattle and had a quick scan through a few threads after seeing those comments posted, and it’s all the same thing, playing the victim to alleged childfree bashers and their lovely weekends walking in the hills. They sound like very bored housewives who like to walk their house cats on leads 😂

You couldn't be further from the truth

Roominmyhouse · 22/02/2023 19:27

YoMommaHere · 22/02/2023 19:22

I’ve just joined tattle and had a quick scan through a few threads after seeing those comments posted, and it’s all the same thing, playing the victim to alleged childfree bashers and their lovely weekends walking in the hills. They sound like very bored housewives who like to walk their house cats on leads 😂

And there goes a perfect example. Childfree folk must all be bored house wives etc. Why is there always the insinuation childfree people must have boring lives??

LoveHearts69 · 22/02/2023 19:28

BadNomad · 22/02/2023 19:08

People are equating those nasty attitudes with not having children. Not having children doesn't make you nasty. Nasty people are just nasty people. You know that one talking about gross pregnant bodies will think the same about fat people and old people. Her(?) lack of children has nothing to do with it.

Oh absolutely! It’s this particular thread that the OP was referring to though… there’s just some nasty attitudes on it and they’re obsessed with mums and how shit everything must be, down to their day to day stuff, their bodies - literally everything. Even when they talk about weekend plans its all along the vibes of ‘today I didn’t have to go to a disgusting soft play’ or ‘didn’t have an annoying child waking me at 5am’, it’s rare that anyone posts without making some sort of dig at parents. they’re literally obsessed with hating on parents and it’s not healthy.

Most CF are obviously lovely normal people who make the most of their freedom and don’t include attacking parents on a forum part of their daily life!

thesurrealist · 22/02/2023 19:32

Yes it is petty. Why not have the week before or the week after if you have no plans? Be a decent human and consider other peoples needs. That’s what’s wrong with this world too many selfish fuckers

Ok. So can't obviously speak for your workplace, but here are a few reasons why I took half term week off (as a childfree woman who also has the temerity to love her dog and live in a big house)..

It was a convenient gap in a major piece of work I'm involved with
I didn't have any important meetings, just routine team stuff that I could miss easily
The week before and the week after we're/are very busy for me
I have a deadline for something at the beginning of March and so next week I've got protected time to complete it
My car needed it's MOT
My dad wanted a lift to the midlands to visit an old friend who is visiting from France
My dog had a vets appointment
Most of all, because it was a convenient time for me to have a week off. Which, after working 12 hours a day for the previous 4 weeks I felt I needed and deserved.

YoMommaHere · 22/02/2023 19:33

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I’m not a victim of anything love. It’s just a very sad and boring way to stereotype people. Not sure what vroom vroom means?

Illegally18 · 22/02/2023 19:36

this is so true

YoMommaHere · 22/02/2023 19:36

Roominmyhouse · 22/02/2023 19:35

I’m not a victim of anything love. It’s just a very sad and boring way to stereotype people. Not sure what vroom vroom means?

Of course you don’t 😘

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