Boris Johnson wants a 2nd bash at being PM. We wouldn't. Would we?

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Today BJ is stirring up the DUP to oppose Sunak's N Ireland proposals, whatever they may be. Surely there can't be a second chance for the idiot responsible for our current mess? There aren't enough stupid people in our country to let him in again I hope. Will he unseat Sunak?

My money is that Sunak will not be displaced by the ERG or the DUP. I reckon he's got this sold on the majority of his parliamentary party. Sunak doesn't even need a vote. There will be lots of tittle tattle in the press but that will all be James Dudderidge earning his keep. I don't think Johnson has enough support anymore to be a real issue.,

Johnson talks a good game. But if his game was that good, he'd still be leader. He would have got the numbers and carried on. But he didn't. Same game, same result.

Lest we forget 🍺G'night all.

@Blessedwithsunshine - I think Johnson has bungled his second chance at leading the Tory Party in this Parliament. Don't tell me he didn't want it, he did. He did not have media backing, even if he had the numbers.

I also don't think Sunak has to sweat him on the NI Protocol. I think that the majority of Tory MPs want that done- and if Steve Baker agrees then it will be a serious minority in the House who can do anything.

Johnson's only hope is some Bennite revolution where he brings his own followers in as s kind of shadow party to the Conservatives. Clearly that's s long term plan but highly risky, because even the majority of Conservative voters don't want him back right now.

After the election all bets are off. But I think Sunak will outdo Johnson until then.

That's a pretty fair summary, fingers crossed.

We all know that.🙄 Sure isn't the plan to have as many Conservative Prime Ministers as possible before the GE? I think Gove's up next.😆😆😆

Since I don't live in Islington I didn't vote for Jeremy Corbyn.
All the available evidence shows us that Jeremy Corbyn would have been a far better Prime Minister than any of the 3 we have had since the last election, but as it happens with hindsight I am glad Boris won. He has managed t make the Tory party unelectable, whilst we have all suffered in the long run this may be an excellent thing.

Govey, Govey Govery, oh that would be a delight.

No one on this thread saying the tories stand a good chance at the next election actually believes it. These are the same bullshitters that said partygate would blow over and johnson would be PM for a decade.

I dislike the Tories with a passion but i don't think a Labour win is by any means certain... not at all, 18months out, Sunak has time to turn it around.

imho Lab are out front because the Tories are soooo bad... not because Labour is so good.

imho Lab are out front because the Tories are soooo bad... not because Labour is so good.

Yes. And?

...because it means the Tories can turn that around.. they ve started with meeting the RCN and getting their strikes postponed, they are going to extend energy support scheme from April, they'll come out with tax cuts too, always a firm favourite with voters.

The media will be bombarding us all with positive stories on the Cons and very negative ones about Lab.

Lab have had very significant leads in the past mid term and gone onto lose.

I just think that Labour need to make sure they don't get complacent.

They haven't been complacent and there's no reason to think they will be. Whatever else you say about Starmer he's played it safe and knows what the targets on his back are (see the recent Corbyn news).

Some people have internalised the 'they're all as bad as each other' mantra so much that they think it applies to electroal probability too. But let's be clear: at this point the tories winning the next election isn't a "I think there's a good chance" situation, it's a "one of the biggest surprises in british political history" situation.

You can talk about possible scenarios in which they play hidden aces up their sleeve (still haven't read any good examples of those) or Labour somehow fucks it all up at the 11th hour, but right now it doesn't make statistical or politcial sense to talk about it like the race is anywhere close to even.

@lazycats We don't even know the date of the next election, there is no race! Politics can turn very very quickly, as indicated with Bojo after 2019 GE.

Complacent? you are and if enough people start doing that, then Labour are in deep trouble, they need their vote out and folk thinking its in the bag, means people don't always turn out.

Good and bad are always relative. My pet slug has more backbone than Rishi Sunak, making my pet slug good.

The last time Labour had a lead this large was when Tony Blair was leader of the opposition. The polls have not changed for months, I do not share your pessimissm.

Are you sure you know what complacent actually means? I've come to these conclusions based on current and historical data, which is much less complacent than 'gut feelings'. I wish more people on this thread just read polls dispassionately instead of confusing hope for likelihood.

Also, as if it needs to be said, me saying a tory loss is likely won't magically result in Starmer thinking 'oh, well I guess we don't need to try anymore'. We don't have a telephathic connection, I promise.

See your rather condescending reply really switches people off from Labour, you might want to consider why they stay in opposition?

The last time Labour had a lead this large was when Tony Blair was leader of the opposition. The polls have not changed for months, I do not share your pessimism

Past performance is no guarantee of future returns... as they say.

Pessimism? I just think that 18months out, anything could and probably will happen....

I'm sorry extrapolating predictions from data annoys you. Nice to know I have so much sway I can influence elections though. 😃

That’s what happens in elections. Remember the old adage that oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them.

Quite. The polling in 1996 and early 97 doesn't actually indicate Labour was riding the huge wave of optimism we remember. People were just sick of the tories.

Polling isn't reliable data, asking multiple 2000 people how they will vote 18months out.... as you say.. its a prediction.

Ed Miliband held a commanding lead over the Tories, with 2 years to go and went on to lose & i believe Lab had a 16pt lead over the Tories before Major took over, which was approx 2yrs before 1992.

I think Lab will very soon have to start spelling out policy soon (with 6 months) and get these across to the public... atm too many people don't have a clue what they stand for, hence the large number of Don't Knows in the polling....

Starmer is no Tony Blair 😂
He is nothing like Tony Blair…

On the grounds of National security, the massive surge in migrant arrivals expected this summer and Labours non existent policies to deal with them, the lack of confidence that still surrounds labour when it comes to the economy, and the fact the party is riddled with remainers wishing to reverse brexit means this is most definitely not going to be the slam dunk election you are hoping for. Nothing like it.

At best, it will be a hung Parliament in my view. Starmer simply does not have the charisma, the leadership skills nor the Vision needed to secure the majority in this country.

Labour is seen as a weak, woke and a low flying / low achieving party here with all the excitement and energy of an old people’s home. Sorry but that’s the reality.

Labour is already spelling out its policy. The Telegraph - of all papers - has recently carried articles by Yvette Cooper, Wes Streeting and Starmer, it’s equally pessimistic about the Tories’ election chances, as are many of its backbenchers. The don’t knows are floating voters or disillusioned Tories.

The don’t knows don’t want to vote for a weak Labour Party and are hoping the conservatives can pull themselves together in time. Disillusioned Tories won’t vote for Labour, they just won’t vote.