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Boris Johnson wants a 2nd bash at being PM. We wouldn't. Would we?

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newnamethanks · 19/02/2023 10:32

Today BJ is stirring up the DUP to oppose Sunak's N Ireland proposals, whatever they may be. Surely there can't be a second chance for the idiot responsible for our current mess? There aren't enough stupid people in our country to let him in again I hope. Will he unseat Sunak?

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Rhondaa · 21/02/2023 21:42

LexMitior · 21/02/2023 21:39

@Blessedwithsunshine - the fact remains that you can't just hold a majority and look at it. He didn't bloody do anything with it.

History shows prime ministers with similar majorities who achieved huge domestic changes.

Johnson did not do that. He could have easily achieved far more. He is a bungler

Think the pandemic was a slight distraction tbh. Understandably so.

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:42

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:41

Has NI left the UK yet, or only partly so far?

Good question. NI won’t be going anywhere and Sunak will be kicked out unless he supports the unionists.

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:43

The NI announcement was supposed to be today. Didn’t happen.

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:43

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:42

Good question. NI won’t be going anywhere and Sunak will be kicked out unless he supports the unionists.

NI is effectively still in the EU, there is a border in the Irish Sea. In some respects NI has already left the UK.

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:44

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:43

The NI announcement was supposed to be today. Didn’t happen.

Strong and stable leadership with Sunak, not the least bit back seat driven by Boris and his band of loons.

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:44

Why because Sunak knows unless he removes the EJC from the equation he will be booted out. Over 160 MPs have already signalled as much.

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:47

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:44

Why because Sunak knows unless he removes the EJC from the equation he will be booted out. Over 160 MPs have already signalled as much.

Surely if the MPs don't like the policies Sunak was elected on, they shouldn't have elected him, or has he already flip flopped on policy like a piece of Boris blowing in the wind depending on where he thinks the votes are?

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:48

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:43

NI is effectively still in the EU, there is a border in the Irish Sea. In some respects NI has already left the UK.

You might think you will get some reaction but let’s see what happens. Ireland stepped in to say the EU need to be responsible towards NI and Ireland have their own issues with huge swathes of migrants.

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:48

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:47

Surely if the MPs don't like the policies Sunak was elected on, they shouldn't have elected him, or has he already flip flopped on policy like a piece of Boris blowing in the wind depending on where he thinks the votes are?

He wasn’t elected by the party

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:48

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:48

You might think you will get some reaction but let’s see what happens. Ireland stepped in to say the EU need to be responsible towards NI and Ireland have their own issues with huge swathes of migrants.

I thought the UK was special and every migrant in the world wants to come here by boat. Tell me that is true?

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 21:49

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:48

He wasn’t elected by the party

No of course silly me, he was elected by the people of this country. And neither the Conservative party or its MPs want him to be their leader.

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:51

Sunak is a technocratic leader and is on borrowed time

Alexandra2001 · 21/02/2023 21:52

@Clavinova Nope, NATO countries were training and to some extent equipping Ukrainians, long before the mLaws, you should know this, it started in 2014.

Alexandra2001 · 21/02/2023 21:55

Blessedwithsunshine · 21/02/2023 21:44

Why because Sunak knows unless he removes the EJC from the equation he will be booted out. Over 160 MPs have already signalled as much.

I didn't know 160 letters of no confidence had ben sent in?

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 22:00

Alexandra2001 · 21/02/2023 21:55

I didn't know 160 letters of no confidence had ben sent in?

Indeed they have, some of them are a year or two old, but they still count.

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 22:09

Alexandra2001
@ Clavinova Nope, NATO countries were training and to some extent equipping Ukrainians, long before the mLaws, you should know this, it started in 2014

As if you know what you are talking about. You quite clearly posted that Poland was the first to help Ukraine - another poster said it was NATO - then you posted;

So did NATO, Boris or Poland help Ukraine first? Does it matter?

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 22:14

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 22:09

Alexandra2001
@ Clavinova Nope, NATO countries were training and to some extent equipping Ukrainians, long before the mLaws, you should know this, it started in 2014

As if you know what you are talking about. You quite clearly posted that Poland was the first to help Ukraine - another poster said it was NATO - then you posted;

So did NATO, Boris or Poland help Ukraine first? Does it matter?

Everyone knows that it was Boris on the front line helping Ukraine first. In fact he probably fired the vacinne that started the war himself.

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 22:18

Alexandra2001
Oh and there has been a normal winter in Europe not particularly mild overall, its just the europeans store an awful lot of gas

Mild weather in early January—following on from a previous record warm October—and energy-saving measures by consumers have led to high gas storage levels and lower European gas prices.

Prices for the key European gas contract, Dutch TTF, have decreased to around €60/MWh, a level last seen in September 2021; a considerable fall from €340 at the end of August and €149 in early December. The primary reason for this is the very mild winter, with record seasonal temperatures in many parts of the continent.

In Germany, gas consumption in the first week of January was 38% below the four-year average. Energy saving also plays a role: controlled for temperature, consumption was still 25% below average, with households and small firms now also reducing consumption significantly.

www.eiu.com/n/mild-weather-relieves-energy-price-pressures-on-europe/

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 22:20

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 22:18

Alexandra2001
Oh and there has been a normal winter in Europe not particularly mild overall, its just the europeans store an awful lot of gas

Mild weather in early January—following on from a previous record warm October—and energy-saving measures by consumers have led to high gas storage levels and lower European gas prices.

Prices for the key European gas contract, Dutch TTF, have decreased to around €60/MWh, a level last seen in September 2021; a considerable fall from €340 at the end of August and €149 in early December. The primary reason for this is the very mild winter, with record seasonal temperatures in many parts of the continent.

In Germany, gas consumption in the first week of January was 38% below the four-year average. Energy saving also plays a role: controlled for temperature, consumption was still 25% below average, with households and small firms now also reducing consumption significantly.

www.eiu.com/n/mild-weather-relieves-energy-price-pressures-on-europe/

Luckily Boris has generously ensured I still get to pay nearly double what I did this time last year for my heating.

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 22:28

jgw1
Luckily Boris has generously ensured I still get to pay nearly double what I did this time last year for my heating.

Oh bad luck - we tried some energy saving measures like the German households in my link.

jgw1 · 21/02/2023 22:30

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 22:28

jgw1
Luckily Boris has generously ensured I still get to pay nearly double what I did this time last year for my heating.

Oh bad luck - we tried some energy saving measures like the German households in my link.

It has indeed been the most rotten luck to have to have lived through so many Prime Ministers of late, each one worse than the one before. Luckily there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 23:08

jgw1

Please tell me you didn't back Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister @ jgw1

Jeremy Corbyn was wrong on Nato, says Sir Keir Starmer

Laura Kuenssberg;
'You sat alongside somebody whose views you now say were completely wrong on one of the most serious issues. You are telling people now that you thought he was wrong all along - on defence!

'You didn't have to sit on the front bench.'

'Hang on a minute - you were quite content to have a prominent job in Corbyn's team and you were quite content in the leadership contest to give party members the impression that you agreed with much of his ethos...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60333340

DuncinToffee · 21/02/2023 23:13

Laura Kuenssberg Grin

Clavinova · 21/02/2023 23:26

Laura Kuenssberg

Do you prefer Sophy Ridge?

Sophy Ridge asked: "In your speech you appropriated the language of Brexit, you said you were the man to take back control."

"You said, 'As I went around the country campaigning for Remain, I couldn't disagree with the basic case so many Leave voters made to me".

"So is that why you led the campaign for a second referendum? You said that you'd vote Remain in a second referendum and you described the Leave vote as catastrophic for the UK."

Ms Ridge pressed: "A lot of Leave voters would say they voted Leave because they wanted to leave the EU."

"If you're honest do you think you're shifting message is because the electorate that mattered to you then was a pro-Remain party membership who would be voting for the next Labour leader and the electorate that matters to you now when you're promising to take back control are those swing voters, many of them who voted for Brexit?"

"Are you changing your message to suit your own purposes?"

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1718378/keir-starmer-sophy-ridge-sky-news-brexit-second-referendum

DuncinToffee · 21/02/2023 23:36

But Jeremy Corbyn.

Lives rent free in Tory heads

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