Boris Johnson wants a 2nd bash at being PM. We wouldn't. Would we?

[newnamethanks]

Today BJ is stirring up the DUP to oppose Sunak's N Ireland proposals, whatever they may be. Surely there can't be a second chance for the idiot responsible for our current mess? There aren't enough stupid people in our country to let him in again I hope. Will he unseat Sunak?

@Clavinova I think you missed my question.

In 2015 in your opinion was it a problem for children to have a single mother? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Do you know the difference between bribery and employment?

Yes -
The bribery scandal rocking the EU parliament

www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2022/dec/20/the-bribery-scandal-rocking-the-eu-parliament

BRUSSELS, Feb 12 (Reuters) - Belgian prosecutors have charged another European Union lawmaker, Marc Tarabella, with corruption in a cash-for-influence scandal

www.reuters.com/markets/europe/belgium-charges-another-eu-lawmaker-with-corruption-2023-02-12/

16 February 2023
MEPs Maria Arena and Alessandra Moretti are connected to the investigation being undertaken by Belgian prosecutors, according to the warrant for Italian MEP Andrea Cozzolino, who was arrested last week on charges of corruption, money-laundering and participation in a criminal organization.

www.politico.eu/article/arrest-warrant-two-meps-connected-qatargate-parliament-corruption-probe-maria-arena-alessandra-moretti/

Me "Do you know the difference between bribery and employment?
@Clavinova Yes

Would you agree that secretly accepting money from someone and giving them for instance preferential treatment in return that others did not have is bribery? For example would my paying a purchasing manager to give my firm a contract to buy widgets count as bribery? (noting that these were substandard widgets at an inflated price)?

@Clavinova I was a single parent in receipt of benefits in 1995.

My first DH was killed by a drunk driver. It was all my fault though - right @clavinova?

F you and the horse you rode in on.

And anyone else who wants to bitch about single Mums on benefits.
Yes, even if you are the sort of person who says complete with head tilt 'oh but you weren't that type of single mother thiswasmethen.'

While I'm taking on all-comers, no I do not want BoJo back.

As far as i'm aware, these women didn't have children from multiple fathers... try again...

More whataboutery.

@thiswasmethen

Sorry for your loss, my partner died leaving me with an 11month old, my employer agreed to pay me FT for a pt role.. until they reached school age..., otherwise i'd have been at the mercy of the people like Clav, who are possess zero empathy or human kindness.

thiswasmethen
I was a single parent in receipt of benefits in 1995

November 1997
Blair backs Harman over cut in lone-parent benefit.
Labour MPs accused the whips of stuffing the standing committee with loyalists to ensure the Bill got through unamended. A group of women protesters shouted "Labour scum" when it was approved.

www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-backs-harman-over-cut-in-loneparent-benefit-1295256.html

March 2005
Single teenage mothers are "piling up problems" in the country's inner city areas, Tony Blair said yesterday as he spoke to faith groups about the importance of religion in politics.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-single-mothers-piling-up-problems-in-britain-s-inner-cities-529604.html

Alexandra2001
As far as i'm aware, these women didn't have children from multiple fathers... try again...

I know how much you love Macron from our Brexit discussions;

July 2017
Emmanuel Macron claims Africa held back by 'civilisational' problems and women having 'seven or eight children'.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-africa-development-civilisation-problems-women-seven-eight-children-colonialism-french-president-france-a7835586.html

Alexandra2001
my partner died leaving me with an 11month old, my employer agreed to pay me FT for a pt role.. until they reached school age..., otherwise i'd have been at the mercy of the people like Clav, who are possess zero empathy or human kindness

You were quite clearly posting about women having children with multiple partners.

Come on, he's sexually incontinent and his relationship with the truth is similar. It's a mark of just how deluded Johnson is that he is attempting to refashion the Conservatives again to his whims. Even if he manages it, the result will be the same. Because he throws anyone and everyone under the bus.

Politics is a team game. Johnson is not a team player. And I think his colleagues in and out of the parliamentary party will remember that.

He doesn't have any relationship with the truth.

Anyone but the deluded and brainwashed knows that.

his relationship with the truth is similar

Personal life aside - I don't think Boris Johnson's 'relationship with the truth' is any worse than the average politician - it's just that he is scrutinised more and/or misinterpreted.

Starmer's mantra; "Honesty and integrity matter. You will always get that from me" is clearly nonsense. A few examples here:

order-order.com/2022/05/16/starmer-revises-count-up-from-6-to-15-attendees-at-beergate/

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/31/boris-johnson-dishonesty-keir-starmer-labour-abandoned-pledges

After we published this fact check, we contacted Sir Keir Starmer to request a correction regarding this claim.
Sir Keir did not correct this claim.

fullfact.org/economy/labour-starmer-reeves-2620-cost-of-living/

fullfact.org/health/keir-starmer-european-medicines-agency/

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-starmer-incorrectly-claims-economy-hasnt-grown-for-12-years

fullfact.org/economy/keir-starmer-wrong-to-suggest-taxes-arent-rising-on-stocks-and-shares/

Well, I don't need to be quoted at. There's a whole book of Johnson's inconsistency on the table here.

When such a book appears about Keir Starmer, your point may be true @Clavinova. But not until then.

You might as well cut the crap Clavinova and just say that you agree and approve of everything Johnson says and does.

I can't help but wonder what Johnson could do that @Clavinova would not support. Thus far on this thread we have had examples of Johnson condeming children of single parents, Clav agrees, and yet Johnson has created several of his own, we have Johnson condeming people who have large families, Clav supports this, but it is fine for Johnson to have a large family. It is fine for Johnson to break the law, for Johnson to lie in parliament, for Johnson to lie to the Queen.

Is there nothing Johnson could do that this poster would condemn?

LexMitior
Well, I don't need to be quoted at. There's a whole book of Johnson's inconsistency on the table here

If I remember correctly, the book actually contains examples from multiple Conservative politicians, not just Boris Johnson, many of the quotes are duplications of the same facts, deliberate misinterpretations or ambiguous.

Anyone who thinks that Johnson lies no more than the average politician is either dense or deluded.

Even super fans have a line that can't be crossed, guess Clav is not there yet.

I am just glad we didn't discuss some of Johnson's other comments.

@Clavinova I must say you are certain to spot the duplications and deliberate misinterpreations being our resident expert in these things.

The point about Johnson is not a kind of granular what about this politician or that.

The more valuable exercise is to look and say, what did he deliver, in a statesman like manner, for the benefit of the entire UK?

Because that is the test for a great PM, not a hack.

And in fairness I think Johnson did one thing that meets this test. That was the development of a vaccine under his watch and getting some very good people to organise it, defend it and maintain for the UK.

The rest is noise.

Don't forget that he was the first person in the world to deliver a vacinne and was world beating.

@Clavinova - it is totally obvious that you do not know the book to which I refer.

But equally, what book are you referring to? You like quoting, so it's unusual not to see your source.

Anyone who thinks that Johnson lies no more than the average politician is either dense or deluded

Whatever Johnson says is picked through with a fine-tooth comb going back years - no other high-profile politician receives that level of scrutiny.

@jgw1 - yes it is a joke that everything he does is world beating. Eventually I assume as world King we will all be beaten into gratitude