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Boris Johnson wants a 2nd bash at being PM. We wouldn't. Would we?

648 replies

newnamethanks · 19/02/2023 10:32

Today BJ is stirring up the DUP to oppose Sunak's N Ireland proposals, whatever they may be. Surely there can't be a second chance for the idiot responsible for our current mess? There aren't enough stupid people in our country to let him in again I hope. Will he unseat Sunak?

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Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:18

Do you also agree with the author of the article that higher birth rates means more consumers?

Seven children from four adults doesn't constitute a high birth rate though does it?

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 20:19

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:18

Do you also agree with the author of the article that higher birth rates means more consumers?

Seven children from four adults doesn't constitute a high birth rate though does it?

@Clavinova so you are saying that a high birth rate would not occur if each man had 7 children. How many children would in your view constitute a high birth rate? Feel free to just answer with a number.

ilovesooty · 20/02/2023 20:20

In any case if Sunak had a backbone he would have removed the Whip from Johnson by now.

Alexandra2001 · 20/02/2023 20:29

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:18

Do you also agree with the author of the article that higher birth rates means more consumers?

Seven children from four adults doesn't constitute a high birth rate though does it?

From one man? yes it is.

Or do you think every male should father 7 children?

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:29

jgw1

Quite clearly, birth rate depends on the total number of people involved.

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 20:32

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:29

jgw1

Quite clearly, birth rate depends on the total number of people involved.

If you thought it wasn't acceptable for every man to have 7 children you would say so.
Let us try a different question.
Do you think every women should have 7 children (or maybe 8 or 9)?

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 20:33

Alexandra2001 · 20/02/2023 20:29

From one man? yes it is.

Or do you think every male should father 7 children?

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It is their duty to procreate as much as possible.

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:35

Or do you think every male should father 7 children?

I can't really see a problem (with regards to population size) if the eldest child is nearly 30 years older than the youngest, and the mothers of those children don't have children with anyone else.

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 20:38

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:35

Or do you think every male should father 7 children?

I can't really see a problem (with regards to population size) if the eldest child is nearly 30 years older than the youngest, and the mothers of those children don't have children with anyone else.

So its alright for a father to have many children with many women, but not a women to have children with more than one father.
Is that the teaching of modern conservatism or just clavinovism?

Alexandra2001 · 20/02/2023 20:40

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:35

Or do you think every male should father 7 children?

I can't really see a problem (with regards to population size) if the eldest child is nearly 30 years older than the youngest, and the mothers of those children don't have children with anyone else.

So, lets be clear ... you think its ok for man to xxxx around and procreate but women must stick to just one partner with whom to have children with?

How would you enforce this? new laws or guidance?

Serialisation for the woman upon divorce or separation? no wonder you lot want to leave the ECHR!

Alexandra2001 · 20/02/2023 20:41

I'd nip out to Waitrose if i were you clav lol!

LexMitior · 20/02/2023 20:42

Oh never mind his children. The reason is that if Sunak gets a deal with the EU and fixes the Protocol then Boris Johnson's goose is cooked.

Johnson signed it knowing it didn't work. He dismissed anyone who said it was a problem in the civil service and poisoned our relationship with the EU. They won't deal with him.

I wish Sunak the best of luck. If he can do it he will be a statesman. If he can't, then Starmer will pick it up after the election.

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:43

jgw1
So its alright for a father to have many children with many women, but not a women to have children with more than one father

I'm not the morality police - if they don't need benefits/universal credit why not?

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 20:44

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:43

jgw1
So its alright for a father to have many children with many women, but not a women to have children with more than one father

I'm not the morality police - if they don't need benefits/universal credit why not?

So in the case of Boris Johnson's children it is not acceptable because their father has been living on handouts, benefits from all manner of people who wanted something from him, like for example Putin.

I am glad we have cleared that up, an evening well spent I think.

Alexandra2001 · 20/02/2023 20:50

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:43

jgw1
So its alright for a father to have many children with many women, but not a women to have children with more than one father

I'm not the morality police - if they don't need benefits/universal credit why not?

Do you know the future? accident, death, illness all come along in real life... do you think they should be denied state help?

On second thoughts.. maybe you shouldn't answer that..

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 20/02/2023 20:53

Sadly the only people in a position to vote for him as party leader (unseating Sunak) are Tory Party members. They have shown themselves to be utterly divorced from either reality or the good of the country on numerous occasions.

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:58

jgw1

Four of Boris Johnson's children reached adulthood before he even became PM.

benefits from all manner of people who wanted something from him

That's the way to do it - a bit like employment.

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 21:01

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:58

jgw1

Four of Boris Johnson's children reached adulthood before he even became PM.

benefits from all manner of people who wanted something from him

That's the way to do it - a bit like employment.

@Clavinova I don't think I saw you answer whether you think single mothers were as big a problem in 2005 as they were in 1995? A simple yes or no will do.

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 21:02

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 20:58

jgw1

Four of Boris Johnson's children reached adulthood before he even became PM.

benefits from all manner of people who wanted something from him

That's the way to do it - a bit like employment.

Do you know the difference between bribery and employment? No need for an explanation, a simple yes or no will do.

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 21:09

Alexandra2001
Do you know the future? accident, death, illness all come along in real life... do you think they should be denied state help?

Somewhat hypocritical - you were the morality police earlier in the thread. You posted that it 'beggars belief' Boris Johnson could be considered 'decent' fathering children with different mothers - but now you are sympathetic to mothers who have had children by different men and fallen on hard times.

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 21:16

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 21:09

Alexandra2001
Do you know the future? accident, death, illness all come along in real life... do you think they should be denied state help?

Somewhat hypocritical - you were the morality police earlier in the thread. You posted that it 'beggars belief' Boris Johnson could be considered 'decent' fathering children with different mothers - but now you are sympathetic to mothers who have had children by different men and fallen on hard times.

@Clavinova would it be hypocritical in your opinion to write a newspaper column about how there are too many people in the world and that birth control is important to then go on and have 7 or 8 children? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 21:17

jgw1
I don't think I saw you answer whether you think single mothers were as big a problem in 2005 as they were in 1995? A simple yes or no will do.

I think it depends on personal circumstances - a teenage mother with no job prospects, living on a run-down estate - likely to be a problem, yes.

jgw1 · 20/02/2023 21:19

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 21:17

jgw1
I don't think I saw you answer whether you think single mothers were as big a problem in 2005 as they were in 1995? A simple yes or no will do.

I think it depends on personal circumstances - a teenage mother with no job prospects, living on a run-down estate - likely to be a problem, yes.

So in 1995 it wasn't good for children to have single mothers. In 2005 it depended on their circumstances, if they were poor it was a bad thing.

In 2015 in your opinion was it a problem for children to have a single mother? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 21:44

jgw1
So in 1995 it wasn't good for children to have single mothers
In 2005 it depended on their circumstances, if they were poor it was a bad thing

Just to remind you that both articles were discussing teenage mothers -

Single teenage mothers are "piling up problems" in the country's inner-city areas, Tony Blair said

Clavinova · 20/02/2023 21:45

would it be hypocritical in your opinion to write a newspaper column about how there are too many people in the world and that birth control is important to then go on and have 7 or 8 children?

Perhaps - but Johnson didn't change his mind in the space of 3 hours - Alexandra2001 did.