To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates

[Sotiredofallthisnonsense]

That's all really. It's not just the UK - so NHS and strikes etc won't account for similar or significantly worse death rates in other areas of the developed West.

There is very very little media attention on this. Am I being unreasonable to wonder why?

But the issue currently is non-covid excess deaths. That’s why it’s a concern (clearly not for you) for people who are following the statistics.

By excess deaths I mean that there are pop up morgues locally full of people who are dying at unprecedented rates, this far exceeds any previous spikes. Whatever the reason, it seems odd as this is a remarkable situation and there is very little coverage on it.

So I went into work and twiddled my thumbs all day for two years as my job is to treat patients who cannot be treated if they have a positive covid test

But, when I posted there was no indication as to which type of excess deaths the OP was referring to. Which is why I asked the question…what excess deaths and made a list of the different types that are regularly tracked by most countries. 🤷‍♀️

You then for some odd reason assumed I had a Time Machine, saw the issue and then went back in time to ask the question of which excess deaths and where…

Where?

Pretty much everyone knows someone who works in the NHS, just ask them.

Quite! This is what I don't get about some of the more 'alternative' theories about health-related policy: do people honestly think that all 1, 300, 000+ NHS staff are all somehow in on terrible, world-shattering state secrets that people who don't work there aren't, and if only one of us would blab then we'd bring the whole of society crashing down? Are NHS staff some mysterious, ethereal 'other' with a hive mind that's out to steal your cash/kids/organs/insert flavour of the month here?

Guess what... We walk amongst you!!! (X Files music)

this is a western world problem excess deaths since covid in UK USA france Germeany et, so it isn't caused by unique things happening in UK
I think it is multi factorial
During the pandemic people were discouraged from going to hospitals with non emergencies leading to late diagnosis hence eventualy leading to higher than normal death rates
some people because of shielding stayed home and got insufficient exercise so both physical and mental health declined and in some cases have not improved
increase in mental health problems because of social isolation fear now manifesting itself as anxiety leading again to pooer physical as well as mental health
There is some evidence that social isolation reduces the effectiveness of the immune system so you are wiped out by the next bug .. it's not strictly medically true but it's sort of that the immune system needs some practice to stay on top of things an over simplicifcation for sure
Cost of living people cutting back on healthy food and heating not going out for exercise in case they get cold or wet and can't afford to get warm dry again and coat is not dry from when they last went out
general shortage of staff in hospitals not just UK and of course more people needing treatment because of back logs, under diagnosis etc
social isolation lack of visitors meaning dementia as progressed faster or life got so bad in the home for the elderly basically like prison it feels like life not worth living " dying of broken heart"
people maybe not taking drugs because can't afford to pay for them in most of Europe patients have to pay a small sum not like USA but even the small contribution maybe too much

@Sotiredofallthisnonsense

Huh?

Where are you?!

Didn't mean to poet a dead link, sorry. (Or did I.......!?!++!,!)😉

For the UK at least the FT has some interesting stats

Hint: it's not because of the vaccine

www.ft.com/content/f36c5daa-9c14-4a92-9136-19b26508b9d2

My mother died in June 20 and probate came through in Nov 22. I think, as pps have said, that's more to do with solicitors dragging their heels. Hers was a very straightforward will and one beneficiary. Not a COVID related death.

What country is this?

We're still waiting since late Aug. No solicitor involved, simple estate. Only costs £168 if you do it yourself.

People who would have lived had they been vaccinated? There is literally no way to quantify this. You can’t prove that a single person would have lived had they been vaccinated, so you can’t possibly say that refusing vaccination has led to excess deaths. Conversely, being vaccinated has been proven to cause some deaths (“rare” or otherwise) due to anaphylaxis, clots and myocarditis. I know people who have died with covid (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) and people who died after vaccination when heart condition went haywire (my late uncle sadly one of them).

Well, this has quite brought all the nutters out.

Ireland, perhaps? All cause mortality is up.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irelands-excess-deaths-rate-rivals-worst-of-covid-pandemic-mgr7fzw9m

Funerals delayed as increase in number of deaths puts mortuaries under pressure
www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41059661.html

www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221.amp

m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/its-an-incredibly-high-mortality-rate-aontu-leader-peadar-toibin-wants-investigation-into-excess-deaths-reported-this-year-42195007.html

We expected overflowing mortuaries during the pandemic. That didn’t happen (thankfully). But it’s happening now.

It will never be officially pegged to the vaccine because it doesn’t cause just one type of death.

UK taxpayers pay a lot of money to ensure that public services are accountable to us. Parliament has sovereignty, not the government of the day.

For excess deaths:

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2022-to-2023/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-week-7-report-up-to-week-3-2023-data

For more detail, fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html tells us that "Thank you for trying to access the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities’ latest estimates of excess mortality. We have moved these reports to a new location to allow more interactivity for users. The new presentations include improved methodologies, so please familiarise yourself with these too." so this explains why information may no longer be where you last saw it.

A very powerful tool here, which can show detail like 'excess mortality among Asian Females' or by age, which can show underserved populations :

app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

International comparison with co-operating countries in Europe:

www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#excess-mortality

I'm no statistician, but learning where the sources of audited and verified government information are is important. There are many threads here about bed-blocking and the lack of joined up thinking between those responsible for the NHS and social care - imagine if we had a combined Department for Health AND Social Care ... oh we do, its accounts have finally been published (assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1135637/dhsc-annual-report-and-accounts-2021-2022_web-accessible.pdf) pages 125 to 138 and 214 might be eye-opening (spoiler alert Grade 7 is the first management grade in the civil service) 251 is the start of the (employed by Parliament) Auditor General's statement, pages 252 to 254 show the items that he was unable to satisfactorily account for.

Please take a look, I'm not a civil servant but as a UK taxpayer am keen to understand how almost a quarter of a trillion pounds was spent.

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Do what the rich people in charge are quietly doing while they gaslight us plebs - ffp2 or 3/not masks in unavoidable crowd areas. Hepa filters in shared indoor spaces. Opening windows. Testing before mingling. Government buildings have quietly had air filtration put in, while peddling the message that taking small precautions to protect each other was removing our freedom.

No, not stopping holidays or really anything, just making it safer for everyone.

Sadly you can see the success of the gaslighting on any thread here that suggests people should be wearing masks on public transport for example, the reaction from most is furious telling people to bore on and shouting about how they can't stop life forever. Ironically I think happily spreading covid around is the main thing that will turn out to stop life forever for many.

If you're going to lie, please at least proof read what you write.

3 men

Aged 17, 39, 40, and 42 plus two in their 70s.

That makes 6 men, no??

I'm neither for our against vaccines btw, it's a personal choice, but lying to hold up the anti vax agenda just makes you look silly.

I work in older adult social care, and we've noticed a significantly higher death rate amongst our service users, seemingly higher than COVID! I don't know our stats though but it seems much more noticeable.

@FannyChmelar how may different "types of death" are there? Do you mean like zombies and stuff? Because the New World Order is suspiciously quiet about those, the shady bastards.

Not a private eye reader then?