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To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates

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Sotiredofallthisnonsense · 18/02/2023 09:39

That's all really. It's not just the UK - so NHS and strikes etc won't account for similar or significantly worse death rates in other areas of the developed West.

There is very very little media attention on this. Am I being unreasonable to wonder why?

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MarshaBradyo · 18/02/2023 10:01

Part of it is to do with why excess deaths were so prominent during the pandemic. It was to get people to change behaviour.

Obviously individuals can still decide to modify their own behaviour if they want to but the majority don’t need to.

gogohmm · 18/02/2023 10:01

@RafaistheKingofClay

But for many of us that is exactly the case, I was asymptomatic with covid but just had a nasty non covid cold! A proportion of the population seems to be vulnerable to covid, the rest of us aren't.

cen107 · 18/02/2023 10:02

Dr John Campbell always uses published articles in medical journals and has extensive experience in immunology, I think people don't like the valid questions he is asking. I would recommend anyone doing their own research.

MajorCarolDanvers · 18/02/2023 10:03

Cause we are desensitised to flu and cancer deaths.

We only flap and panic if it's covid deaths.

We will eventually get there with Covid deaths too.

So1invictus · 18/02/2023 10:03

It's been proven that John Campbell has lied about the effect that vaccination has on children and over the efficacy of Ivermectin.
He cherry picks numbers without really understanding the implications behind them.
The scientific community was very quick to distance itself from him during the pandemic.
I don't like what he says @Aishah231 because he manipulates statistics for his own ends. Frankly, he's a bit of a liability.

The fact that he likes to refer to himself as Dr (letting everyone think he's a qualified medical practitioner) should be enough for an eyebrow to be raised at whatever he YouTubes about. He's not advising the scientific community from a position of expertise, he's making home videos as a retired trainer of nurses.

Apologies for digression. However, I think it's safe to say that the excess deaths aren't due to masses of people being put on end of life care when either not necessary or not very carefully considered.

Ifnothat82 · 18/02/2023 10:04

No source
No reference
Just you OP spouting shit

DismantledKing · 18/02/2023 10:04

Another conspiracy theorist plopper

Embelline · 18/02/2023 10:04

Social media is full of it at the moment but I can’t find any cast iron stats or solid info to back up what’s being said.

MajorCarolDanvers · 18/02/2023 10:05

RafaistheKingofClay · 18/02/2023 09:59

I’m assuming the elephant in the room isn’t the highly infectious cardiovascular disease we are allowing to spread freely pretending it’s just like the flu and we’ve had worse colds.

Actually it's mostly flu that's killing at the moment.

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2023 10:06

No source

Sources have already been provided by others, why not take a look at them?

Ifnothat82 · 18/02/2023 10:08

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2023 10:06

No source

Sources have already been provided by others, why not take a look at them?

The fact that the OP starts a thread without a source and the title doesn’t even make sense… makes me not inclined to spend a nanosecond reading more than i need to. So I will bow out

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2023 10:09

The fact that the OP starts a thread without a source and the title doesn’t even make sense… makes me not inclined to spend a nanosecond reading more than i need to. So I will bow out

You are, of course, free to do whatever you want.

But the OPs claims are well backed up with data, regardless of whether they posted it.

MichaelFabricantWig · 18/02/2023 10:09

Why is it “worrying”? Everyone dies. There have been fluctuations in it and lower death rates and higher ones since Covid. It’s probably a relic of that in some way shape or form. A few years ago no one gave a toss about these things and there was probably fluctuations then as well from time to time.

SweetSakura · 18/02/2023 10:09

thetemptationofchocolate · 18/02/2023 09:52

Dr John Campbell is not a reliable source of information.
He is not a medical doctor, but he uses the 'Dr' title as he has a doctorate in another subject.
As for people with Covid being put on end of life pathway that is not what happened to a member of my family, who was also ill with two other serious conditions. My relative was cared for very well, and recovered from Covid.

This is a weird comment. I mean I have no idea who the John Campbell guy is but I am not sure medical doctors are the only type of doctor worthy of respect. In fact when it came to discussing excess deaths I would be quite interested to hear from (for instan) a statistician or someone specialising in public health.

MichaelFabricantWig · 18/02/2023 10:12

RafaistheKingofClay · 18/02/2023 09:59

I’m assuming the elephant in the room isn’t the highly infectious cardiovascular disease we are allowing to spread freely pretending it’s just like the flu and we’ve had worse colds.

We aren’t “allowing” it to spread. It’s an infectious disease so it spreads and beyond vaccinations nothing else can be done now. It’s here to stay and if it means more deaths then it is what it is, it’s the “new normal” to coin a phrase that was also bandied around a few years back.

Testina · 18/02/2023 10:13

So1invictus · 18/02/2023 09:49

There are lots of threads started about excess death rates. Especially in the last few years.
The ONS produces them month on month as does the NHS itself. Have you not seen those? Or are you not in the UK?
Lots of papers and ongoing research also into why there's, on average, a 15% increase this winter on previous years. Current thinking is that after two winters of very little exposure to bogstandard respiratory illnesses thanks to masks/distancing etc our immune systems fall at the first sneeze. Sadly for those whose health is already compromised, that kind of illness can be fatal.

Ah, you were your logic and intelligence 🤣

I don’t think @Sotiredofallthisnonsense is really into that.

vodkaredbullgirl · 18/02/2023 10:14

🤔Hasn't it been talked enough, over the past 3 yrs.

Theluggage15 · 18/02/2023 10:14

Eh? Why are people saying no source? The source is the ONS. There’s been quite a lot about it in the media. It’s thought to be down to a combination of things - including high flu rates, Covid, record NHS waiting lists for routine operations, long delays getting an ambulance, unmet needs from the pandemic delays in diagnosis and treatment etc.

So1invictus · 18/02/2023 10:17

cen107 · 18/02/2023 10:02

Dr John Campbell always uses published articles in medical journals and has extensive experience in immunology, I think people don't like the valid questions he is asking. I would recommend anyone doing their own research.

Two different John Campbells. Yours is a highly respected expert in immunology and is still very much working in his field.
The Youtuber is a retired nursing teacher trainer whose PhD is in creating digital content (apparently)

MyGarden · 18/02/2023 10:22

thetemptationofchocolate · 18/02/2023 09:52

Dr John Campbell is not a reliable source of information.
He is not a medical doctor, but he uses the 'Dr' title as he has a doctorate in another subject.
As for people with Covid being put on end of life pathway that is not what happened to a member of my family, who was also ill with two other serious conditions. My relative was cared for very well, and recovered from Covid.

Since when were medical doctors the only source of reliable information on the topic of excess deaths? Do you think GPs sit around analysing data?

RosetteNebula · 18/02/2023 10:25

WilsonMilson · 18/02/2023 09:52

I’m with you op, the global excess deaths (ONS data from UK and world stats for global) are very worrying indeed.

Mumsnet isn’t the platform for this discussion though, if anyone dares to utter anything negative about certain medical interventions used over the past couple of years on here, they are immediately shot down and labelled a looney conspiracy nut.

All you will get on here is loads of other justifications, many of them also correct, but apparently we are continuing to ignore the bloody massive elephant in the room. I don’t generally bother talking about it on here because it’s honestly not worth the hassle.

This. I knew how the thread would go as soon as I saw the title.

journeyofinsanity · 18/02/2023 10:26

Dr John Campbell is not a medical doctor or scientist. His Phd is in an academic study into learning resources. The minute someone abuses their qualifications to suggest they are an expert in something else, they lose all credibility for me

sst1234 · 18/02/2023 10:26

It’s strange how all the ‘smart’ people saying OP is wrong and the stats don’t support her argument and rolling their eyes were stupid enough to follow the excess death stats from Covid. You know the ones, where people didn’t need to die from Covid to be included. They just needed to have tested positive with Covid sometime within 28 days before their death. Regardless of actual cause of death.

But hey, you smart people know what you’re talking about. Everyone else is just a conspiracy theorist. Your wisdom has served you so well, because following the hysteria has been so good for overall public health with hardly any uptick in deaths from other causes. People’s mental health improved immensely due to the lockdowns. Your kids life chances are so much better for having had minimal education in 3 years. The economy is flourishing and people feel richer than ever - all because you followed the science and the excess death figures.

NextPrimeMinister · 18/02/2023 10:28

Well something is causing the turn times at the probate office extend from 8 weeks to 17 weeks!

Or is that just incompetent civil servants wfh?

Gwenhwyfar · 18/02/2023 10:29

"Dr John Campbell is not a reliable source of information.
He is not a medical doctor, but he uses the 'Dr' title as he has a doctorate in another subject."

The other subject is nurse training or something similar and still relevant.