To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates

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That's all really. It's not just the UK - so NHS and strikes etc won't account for similar or significantly worse death rates in other areas of the developed West.

There is very very little media attention on this. Am I being unreasonable to wonder why?

You’ve missed the point it’s a cardiovascular disease. It’ll do damage whether your acute symptoms were symptomatic or not. Statistically you are more at risk of a cardiovascular event than if you’d never had covid. More so if you’ve had covid more than once.

I’m not saying that you should do anything to avoid that. But it does mean that more people are going to have CV events which means more people are going to die of them. It also put pressure on health services which may lead to further deaths.

We are so grateful for having the enlightened like yourselves among us to restore order. If it wasn’t for the foresight of the intelligent ones like yourself, we the common folk would keep descending into mass conspiracy.

The current issue is non-covid excess deaths being somewhere over 16% higher than the average over the five years prior to covid.

I’m not suggesting that it’s the only cause. But it will be a factor. One of many.

Is he a doctor? He is listed as a qualified Nurse, his PHD wasn't health related and his research was in pathophysiology. He's been called an absolute crank by Doctors and Consultants we put trust in.

He's quite honest about who he is. He doesn't pretend to be a medical doctor.

Because if people admit that letting a disease that destroys immune systems run riot with no attempts to control it is making people sick or dead it also means admitting that they value going to restaurants and on holidays and not wearing a mask on a bus or putting on a jumper and opening a window more than peoples' lives.

He’s not a doctor. Not a medical one anyway. He started off ok and then jumped the shark.

Just done some further reading on him. Every claim he made has been scientifically proven wrong.

Grow up.

Such as? And how on Earth has he been scientifically proven wrong? By whom?

By actual experts.

It was only a matter of time before James Melville started a thread on MN.

You’re right. Another downside of the pandemic approach was heavy use of excess deaths for compliance which lingers now. Going by some of these posts.

@RafaistheKingofClay

Statistically you are more likely to have a cardiovascular event of you're obese.

You're more likely to suffer ill health and die younger if you live in poverty

We don't seem to be doing much to prevent those things either.

We did what we could for covid and it largely failed.

It is what it is

Heatwaves caused spikes. That’s only going to get worse as we seem hell bent on ignoring the climate emergency unfolding before us.

fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/

www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-posts-misinterpret-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-safety-monitoring-document/

www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-evidence-still-lacking-to-support-ivermectin-as-treatment-for-covid-19/

www.bbc.com/news/60145237

www.aap.com.au/factcheck/faulty-data-at-the-heart-of-myocarditis-claim/

That's just the first page of Google. The wikipedia page about him gives more examples. (Obviously anyone could have written those so I won't link- but they all say the same as the above anyway)

Being as kind as possible to John Campbell (retired nurse trainer) he just doesn't understand the information he interprets. Whether that's due to actively wanting to discredit actual scientists and medical professionals or because he's a bit thick is open to interpretation.

Ah there we go. It’s because of climate change. You forgot to say ‘follow the science’.

That's also logical- hottest summers on record and getting hotter, and we still don't truly know how to behave to mitigate that in the UK.

Which ones?

My elderly father was sent to the local a&e last week. We sat in the reception area with him for 12 hours , he was eventually taken to the treatment area and placed on a trolley. We had to literally argue the bit out to have my sister who is his carer allowed to stay with him.
He had been sent to hospital because of an electrolyte imbalance and we were told he needed to be admitted to the cardiac unit urgently.
His GP wanted him blue lighted to hospital but had agreed that we would take him immediately as he believed he was in imminent risk of a heart attack..He lay on a trolley in a corridor with 30 others and used his coat as a pillow because there were no pillows.Other patients vomited cried and were incontinent. Very few had anyone with them because they weren't allowed to so these sights are often only witnessed by the staff and the other patients who are too ill to worry about others. 30 hours later he was sent out with no letter, no instructions to his gp or family and he had never come off the trolley. We were just told the ward was full, the cannula was left in his arm and we couldn't get an answer from his gp practice to arrange for it to be taken out. When we phoned the hospital they said bring him back but the waiting time is 12 hours. Our system is broken and that's why people are dying.

The ones referenced in the articles above.

How can people still not know that John Campbell has been discredited? Beggars belief really.

The pandemic seems to have normalised the idea we do hugely damaging societal measures to avoid excess deaths

The post re people choosing restaurants etc just shows how engrained it is still.

It’s not being talked about as the op puts it because society won’t be run that way. It shouldn’t be seen as normal.

Thankfully, as it was bad enough then and debatable

So there are no excess deaths?

So1invictus Posted links to “fact checkers” and also read ingot on Wikipedia therefore it must be true.. 😂