To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates

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That's all really. It's not just the UK - so NHS and strikes etc won't account for similar or significantly worse death rates in other areas of the developed West.

There is very very little media attention on this. Am I being unreasonable to wonder why?

Discredited for claiming what?

Excess deaths caused by covid vaccine damage? No?!

Because so many sheople blindly supported lockdowns and restrictions, no questions asked, nobody now wants to feel responsible for the ongoing health issues, loss of life and socio-ecomonic damage they have caused and will continue to cause for years.
Even some of those who had themselves experienced empty A&Es and hospitals chose to believe not what they saw but what the man on television told them. You can still see this from the replies on here. They'll never look up statistics or find out for themselves because the man and other experts haven't told them so.

Onnabugeisha
excess deaths due to refusing vaccination for covid-19

How can refusal of vaccination cause excess non-covid deaths? Are refusers being killed off for refusing??

@MarshaBradyo

Its bizarre because the measures didn't work and have caused more damage

And people wouldn't tolerate it for other things

Climate change being an obvious example

Mistress "Interestingly I am watching a YouTube video of an interview with Silkie Carlo of Big Brother Watch - it is about the upsurge of surveillance of all social media and signs of dissent expressed on line which proliferated during the pandemic. This is fact not conspiracy theory and involves the interests of government, the military and private corporations."

I was invited to the launch of that report, I didn't go but they kindly sent me a paper copy. Individuals are named. They haven't made any medical comments or said anything controversial, bar questioning lockdown.

if it's the Triggernometry interview, I was going to post a link but didn't want to risk it. That's a good precis. Someone on another thread has already said there's nothing of concern in the report. I beg to differ.

There are about 9% excess deaths (see articles above) the reason for which are also above.

It is clear, on this thread, that the majority believe in “fact checkers” and Wikipedia, rather than statistics and the ONS data itself.

See above links.

No.
People believe the actual data. Not the way people who don't understand data choose to interpret it for their own bizarre ends. The fact checker articles all reference respected members of the scientific community who have explained why Campbell's interpretation of the data is flawed.

I didn’t read the pp as suggesting there were no excess deaths but that the reasons given didn’t stand up to scrutiny

It is a topic I’ve come across. Here’s one source most will accept as a starting point: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64209221

It turns up in the media therefore, but tends to take second place in the headlines to whatever members of the royal family have been up to or what celebrities are wearing.

My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that the average lifespan has been increasing over time for quite a while and perhaps, is now beginning to reverse. After the war, for a long time, there was rationing and people were forced to eat a healthier diet, without excess sugar and with calorie limitations that meant obesity was rare. There were massive improvements in medicine as well, but I think the progress there has also slowed and in particular faces new challenges with antibiotic resistance.

So my parents’ generation, who I suspect benefited most from this, are now reaching the end of their lives. My generation has consistently scored lower on life satisfaction than the generation before it. Women are much more likely to have worked full time, to keep up with house prices and inflation and that probably increases stress and reduces time those women might have spent caring for others and generally making life easier for the spouse who worked, as they would have done before. It also makes it more likely the family will consume fast foods, which are also much more available. I think that stress has a profound effect on long term health and we will see the results of that over the years to come.

Of course the pandemic will still probably be having some effect, but leaving that aside, I think the long period of increasing life-span is probably going to slow, at least, and perhaps actually go into reverse and “excess deaths” will become the new normal.

Yes.
If pps would read my first post, I actually believed the excess deaths were higher overall, and more in the region of 16% and not 9%.
For lots of different reasons, all of which are logical and all of which are being given by scientists. None of which involve the elderly being eased into the afterlife because they've got Covid. (though obviously what happened in nursing homes in 2020 will remain unforgiveable for all eternity)

Are people confusing end of life care with dnar.
The dnar form has to be signed by the individual concerned or if not capable then their next of kin or representative after some discussion (I have no direct involvement but have seen plenty as part of my job and all have had appropriate signatures)
End of life care is reversible - may involve stopping drugs such as statins etc.

His interpretation of data hasn’t always been correct, I agree, but majority of the time it has been (he has consulted experts) and he reports what he is told and corrects anything he later finds he has misinterpreted. I find what he says very interesting and I go and check the figures/papers for myself. I don’t discredit him. Why do you think his agenda is?? He’s not trying to mislead people. He started out massively pro vax, pro lockdown etc. Why do you think he has changed his opinions?

Unfortunately it IS what happened to my mum. She was in her 60s with no underlying conditions and admitted to hospital with covid. She was given fairly high doses of morphine and Midazolam and became confused and agitated and died of a cardiac arrest within 72 hours. We were not allowed to visit her or see her at all during this time and that was towards the end of the pandemic. I do feel strongly that the use of those drugs did contribute to her death.

admitting that they value going to restaurants and on holidays

I‘m not quite sure what the alternative would be here? Closing restaurants for good or only allowing them to operate at limited capacity (not viable long term)? Stop people from going on holidays?

AFAIK probate hasn't been granted yet for an extended family member who died in October!

I would imagine it's because healthcare across the world treated nothing but Covid for about 2 years. And even if you did think you were seriously ill, you had to jump through so many hoops to see a GP/consultant that so many people just didn't bother, or felt they were doing the right thing by "protecting the NHS" and not troubling them with their symptoms.

That could be your solicitor taking their time as getting probate is a long complicated and expensive process

As I was saying, “excess deaths” is a general term covering many types of excess deaths. One type of excess deaths are the extra covid deaths of the unvaccinated- they are 11x more likely to die of Covid than the vaccinated. This higher death rate is one measure of one type of excess deaths- the people who would have lived if they had been vaccinated.

My opinion? People don't really care if the flu etc is killing off a few more people than normal, and never have cared. Our concern over covid just gave the impression for a year or two that anyone could care less.
Unless excess mortality involves seeing people drop down dead in front of you, or losing 50% of the residents of the street in a year, people are quite happy to keep calm and carry on. It takes a serious media campaign of constant fearmongering to make people care about current levels of death rates

Yea, but winter cold also causes spikes in excess deaths due to hypothermia. To date, being a northern country, more lives have been saved by milder winters than have died due to hotter summers.

I did wonder this, but I've also seen stats that say about 20% of baby girls born today are expected to live to 100!