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To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates

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Sotiredofallthisnonsense · 18/02/2023 09:39

That's all really. It's not just the UK - so NHS and strikes etc won't account for similar or significantly worse death rates in other areas of the developed West.

There is very very little media attention on this. Am I being unreasonable to wonder why?

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TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2023 12:00

Do what the rich people in charge are quietly doing while they gaslight us plebs - ffp2 or 3/not masks in unavoidable crowd areas. Hepa filters in shared indoor spaces. Opening windows. Testing before mingling.

There's no evidence they're doing much of any of that, don't be silly.

But do what you want yourself, knock yourself out.

Alexandra2001 · 18/02/2023 12:00

rcem.ac.uk/data-statistics/#:~:text=The%20Royal%20College%20of%20Emergency%20Medicine%20estimates%20that%20there%20are,waiting%20times%20in%20Emergency%20Departments.

For example an AE Dr i know, is off sick with stress, in her hospital, an elderly patient died of hypothermia, in a bed, in a corridor.
Another she made clear had to have a certain procedure within 4hours, she then finished her shift, she came back the following day and patient was still there, as result went to ICU and will have on going issues for the rest of her life.

She is off because she can no longer deal with patients who should be ok.. are not getting care, she is done in.

The UK has so few nurses and doctors per capita, so whilst all counties have staffing issues, the UK is starting from a low base.

AE times have improved recently but that has been done by stacking patients in areas elsewhere in the hospital...

Secretname123 · 18/02/2023 12:02

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Why the vaccine and not covid? Most people have had covid several times by now. I had covid in December and although it was a mild case I now have long covid and my resting heart rate is often above 100 for hours.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/02/2023 12:03

With obesity and poverty continuing to rise it’s not really surprising that excess deaths are too.

Hbh17 · 18/02/2023 12:03

Probably because nobody is willing to admit that the Covid lockdowns were too many, too prolonged and actually completely unnecessary. They have created more issues than they solved. We can only hope that there has been some learning from it when the next pandemic rolls around.

Tekkentime · 18/02/2023 12:04

Very scary if this is true. This is the first i'm hearing of it though.

BMW6 · 18/02/2023 12:08

Pop up morgues where? ???

Redebs · 18/02/2023 12:10

TheOtherHotstepper · 18/02/2023 09:45

DH keeps banging on about this, but when I ask specific c questions like what age group or what causes of death, he can't tell me.

He did send me a video of Dr John Campbell, which implied, but did not say, that it was NHS policy to put people with COVID on end of life care when they were not end of life, but I would be grateful for facts and clarity on this issue.

Dr John Campbell is not a medical doctor, by the way

HoboHotel · 18/02/2023 12:10

Tekkentime · 18/02/2023 12:04

Very scary if this is true. This is the first i'm hearing of it though.

Fortunately it's complete bollocks.

Made up by anti vax liars.

Thoroughly debunked by Dr Phil Hammond in this week's Private eye.

Iluvfriends · 18/02/2023 12:10

TheOtherHotstepper · 18/02/2023 09:45

DH keeps banging on about this, but when I ask specific c questions like what age group or what causes of death, he can't tell me.

He did send me a video of Dr John Campbell, which implied, but did not say, that it was NHS policy to put people with COVID on end of life care when they were not end of life, but I would be grateful for facts and clarity on this issue.

This is absolute nonsense. Even elderly people ill with covid do not get put on end of life care 'just because'

In the last month we have had covid twice amongst patients who are mostly in 80's or 90's, all but one came through with no issues. The one that didn't fair very well has also come through the other side.....no mention of end of life care.

The things people believe....

KnittedCardi · 18/02/2023 12:12

In 2022 (using provisional monthly data), deaths were above average in both England and Wales (6.3% and 5.0% above average, respectively), but when accounting for population size and age structure, the age standardised mortality rate (ASMR) for the year was below average for both England and Wales (0.7% and 1.1% below average, respectively)

We have a large cohort of a certain generation who are all getting old. They were locked away during Covid so didn't come into contact with Flu. This year the wards are morgues (sorry to be blunt) are full of elderly folk with multiple co-morbidities, having caught flu (it's a bad season worldwide, but not as bad as 2015/16), additionally pneumonia, and dying. No mystery, no conspiracy.

jays · 18/02/2023 12:18

Iluvfriends · 18/02/2023 12:10

This is absolute nonsense. Even elderly people ill with covid do not get put on end of life care 'just because'

In the last month we have had covid twice amongst patients who are mostly in 80's or 90's, all but one came through with no issues. The one that didn't fair very well has also come through the other side.....no mention of end of life care.

The things people believe....

My mother was out on end of life care drugs. It wasn’t referred to as end of life care and it wasn’t intended to be end of life care. They are the same drugs used for end of life care. To make get more comfortable. It resulted in her death. I’m still dealing with it but it’s was a reality for us and we were not allowed access to visit her and I wasn’t able to advocate for her. I did not want her put on this combination of drugs. The confused she suffered, alone, as a side effect of them must have been absolutely terrifying for her. As the dose got hugger she became more considered and went into cardiac arrest and died. She was not dying or on the path to drying. My gran was given the same combination of drugs a few years back when she was in fact dying. That was appropriate. What was given to my mother was not. I won’t debate or discuss further but it happened.

HoboHotel · 18/02/2023 12:20

Here's some key bits from Phil Hammond MD

To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates
To wonder why nobody is talking about the excess death rates
humpty74 · 18/02/2023 12:22

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2023 12:00

Do what the rich people in charge are quietly doing while they gaslight us plebs - ffp2 or 3/not masks in unavoidable crowd areas. Hepa filters in shared indoor spaces. Opening windows. Testing before mingling.

There's no evidence they're doing much of any of that, don't be silly.

But do what you want yourself, knock yourself out.

Check the photos from Davos. All wearing coats indoors, visible hepa filters in most pictures. They also had a requirement to PCR test to attend.

www.purifiedair.com/case-studies/palace-of-westminster/

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FannyChmelar · 18/02/2023 12:24

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 18/02/2023 11:58

If you're going to lie, please at least proof read what you write.

3 men

Aged 17, 39, 40, and 42 plus two in their 70s.

That makes 6 men, no??

I'm neither for our against vaccines btw, it's a personal choice, but lying to hold up the anti vax agenda just makes you look silly.

I started off thinking of the 3 who were in their late 30s/40s. Then I remembered the 17 yo so added him in. So that’s 4. I don’t count the ones in their 70s as that age is to be expected. Although they did drop dead from massive heart attacks.

I’ve just remembered another man who was 51, but friend of a friend.

Anyway, these are real people who’ve lost their lives and devastated their families.

You’re lucky if you don’t know a few people who’ve died before their time in the last couple of years. Good for you.

I was never “anti vax”. I used to get the flu vaccine like clockwork every year starting in my 20s. I just had a really bad feeling about the Covid vaccines. At one point I was going to get the AstraZeneca but then it was withdrawn in a few countries so that put me off it.

I know one person who died of Covid and many others who appear to have had untimely deaths.

I understand the reactions of the vaccinated in the sense that they are responding with such vitriol through fear. What else can it be?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 18/02/2023 12:25

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Proof? You realise Covid damages the heart and causes blood clots itself yes?

FannyChmelar · 18/02/2023 12:26

MeganTheeScallion · 18/02/2023 11:59

@FannyChmelar how may different "types of death" are there? Do you mean like zombies and stuff? Because the New World Order is suspiciously quiet about those, the shady bastards.

Heart attacks, strokes, cancers and also auto immune diseases like polymyalgia, MS, Guillain-Barre, which are not fatal, but life changing.

Not zombies.

MeganTheeScallion · 18/02/2023 12:28

@FannyChmelar I'm not a doctor but I'm fairly confident that they're health conditions, not types of death. Death = not alive.

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2023 12:33

All wearing coats indoors

Do you mean masks? Having just had a quick google, I'm seeing plenty of photos of maskless people indoors.

ArmchairAnarchist2 · 18/02/2023 12:33

My own case was very nearly an example but I'm obviously still here obviously. I do have a life limiting condition and am tube fed so I'm expected to be weak and poorly.
Every twelve weeks I have a blood test. I've done this for 10+ years. It checks specific levels in my blood and treatment at a nearby hospital is given based on this. Within twenty four hours of each test meds are altered and I'm made aware if I need treatment and am seen in a small day unit. This has worked well for years.
A year ago, without my knowledge, someone in my GPs changed what was being tested for. I still had the blood test but afterwards I very wrongly assumed my anaemia was fine because my Haemoglobin, ferritin and iron levels weren't mentioned as needing treatment. I have regular iron infusions based on this.
Fast forward to a blood test conducted by my local hospital for a routine pre op to change my feeding line. My Haemoglobin was at 3 (or 30 depending which scale you use.) I was immediately admitted and given several units of blood over the next few days. They said I was fortunate to still be here, that any exertion could have caused a heart attack or worse. The changing of a simple blood test to save money by someone in my GPs who clearly had no understanding of of my condition very nearly cost me my life.
I had spoken to several doctors over the last few months saying how terrible I felt but because I'm ill anyway they just put it down to that. I was rarely given a face to face appointment with a GP and when I was it was dismissed as 'normal' and appointments with specialist are usually a call now.
I've been through so much, fought so hard, including being on life support several times. I's difficult to get my head round the fact that a simple blood test being changed and changes to being seen post COVID came so close to adding me to the statistics.

FannyChmelar · 18/02/2023 12:36

MeganTheeScallion · 18/02/2023 12:28

@FannyChmelar I'm not a doctor but I'm fairly confident that they're health conditions, not types of death. Death = not alive.

Fair point.

Clearly you’re vaccinated and the thought that maybe, just maybe, something might not be totally kosher with the vaccines is a little unsettling.

They were rushed (yes, I know they’ve been working on vaccines for coronaviruses for decades - without prior success) and in 10 years we will be able to look back and see more clearly.

In the meantime I hope you don’t find the ticking too annoying. Good luck!

milkyaqua · 18/02/2023 12:40

Aishah231 · 18/02/2023 09:53

Says who? I've never seen him say anything not supported by officially published research which he makes sure he references and provides links for. What you mean is you don't like what he's saying.

I don't think his recommendation of Ivermectin was supported by offficially pubished research...

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 18/02/2023 12:40

MeganTheeScallion · 18/02/2023 12:28

@FannyChmelar I'm not a doctor but I'm fairly confident that they're health conditions, not types of death. Death = not alive.

Don't point that out, it doesn't fit the narrative they're trying to spin 🙄

RosaMoline · 18/02/2023 12:40

All I can say is that I work in a funeral home and it’s the busiest I’ve ever known in the 5 years I’ve worked here. Busier than peak covid deaths. Incidentally, not seeing too many loved ones pass through with covid on death certificate now. I honest believe it’s a combination of no immunity in the older generation to the current respiratory/flu illness, and a number of people with missed symptoms due to not seeing a doctor during the lockdown, too afraid to go to hospital, get a diagnosis and so on.

milkyaqua · 18/02/2023 12:41

Sotiredofallthisnonsense · 18/02/2023 11:29

By excess deaths I mean that there are pop up morgues locally full of people who are dying at unprecedented rates, this far exceeds any previous spikes. Whatever the reason, it seems odd as this is a remarkable situation and there is very little coverage on it.

Are you in China?

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