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What did she want people to do?

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SkivingSnackboxes · 16/02/2023 05:35

Recently went to spectate at a sporting event and we got on the tram to get there. It was rammed, we expected it to be rammed. It's a busy event.

The tram was standing room only, and it was busy Ie sardines.

This pregnant woman was standing in the middle of the aisle she wouldn't move further down so there was a huge gap behind her. She didn't look that pregnant tbh, she kept shouting. im pregnant, I need space, you all need to back off, I'm pregnant I need a seat im pregnant I can't be touched
The only people sat down were kids and old people and the families didn't offer her a seat. The guard came down and told her she needed to move down into the gap or get off. She decided to get off and then asked if the trams were going to be busy all day?

She genuinely wanted random strangers to not go to the rugby because she enforced a halo of 'im pregnant and no one can be near me'

Surely if you're that precious about being pregnant you'd get a taxi?

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Calphurnia88 · 16/02/2023 10:53

Priority seats are literally for pregnant people, along with those with disabilities who might find it more difficult to stand.

Why are people acting like this isn’t a thing?

Quite. Instead she's a deity/snowflake/entitled.

Ironically there's a popular thread right now about how children these days are ill mannered. I wonder where they get it from.

Iggii · 16/02/2023 10:55

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 10:43

Well, if she does it regularly, she's obviously noticed before that it's busy and unpleasant.

It may not regularly be busy and unpleasant. There was a rugby game on, lots of additional traffic on the tram. I don't personally have any awareness of which days there are rugby games on in my city, so could have been caught out that way.

ItchyBillco · 16/02/2023 10:55

Boomboom22 · 16/02/2023 09:36

Sounds like you are the entitled one. What sort of family tales their kids to a rugby game anyway? Doesn't seem appropriate for small kids due to the drinking so you are so entitled you think a load of louts with their teenagers come ahead if a pregnant womans safety, why? Because of some sport. You sound extremely entitled. Going to the rugby is a choice. If we all chose not to have kids the world wouldn't last very long. Also just because you choose to get pregnant doesn't mean you might not get ht, gd or spd which disable you. Pregnancy is the protect characteristic not your weird sports obsession no matter how much you believe in it. You rugby yobs intimidated her and no doubt the guard, probably advised her to leave for her safety.

I think you’ve muddled rugby with football. Different ball. Much fewer ‘yobs’. 😌

soberfabulous · 16/02/2023 10:55

whynotwhatknot · 16/02/2023 10:48

when i was young we were told to give upour seats for any adult -we either sat on o9r parents laps or held their hand

I was just about to say if my child was sitting down in this situation I would make them get up for her..

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 10:56

Calphurnia88 · 16/02/2023 10:53

Priority seats are literally for pregnant people, along with those with disabilities who might find it more difficult to stand.

Why are people acting like this isn’t a thing?

Quite. Instead she's a deity/snowflake/entitled.

Ironically there's a popular thread right now about how children these days are ill mannered. I wonder where they get it from.

Oh give over and stop pretending it's 'normal' behaviour to shout about being touched and refuse to move down on a busy tram. She would have been ripped to shreds if she'd posted this here and you know it.

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 10:57

Iggii · 16/02/2023 10:55

It may not regularly be busy and unpleasant. There was a rugby game on, lots of additional traffic on the tram. I don't personally have any awareness of which days there are rugby games on in my city, so could have been caught out that way.

Exactly, so as a one off,a taxi seems a reasonable alternative.

SuchandSuchandSuch · 16/02/2023 10:57

Why didn't you recognise that the pregnant woman was stressed and upset and encourage those sitting down to offer her a seat?

JMSA · 16/02/2023 10:57

I would have offered her a seat, even if her behaviour was a tad strange.
That is all Smile

Iggi999 · 16/02/2023 10:58

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 16/02/2023 09:55

If someone is crying out for help then we should listen for goodness sake. I am 70 and will give up my seat for someone who is pregnant.

Absolutely. Though I hope if you did that, it would shame a younger person into getting up!

LotteLomax · 16/02/2023 10:59

Don’t you think you should be “pondering” about the lack of courtesy and compassion shown to an expectant mother?

You sound awful.

Iggii · 16/02/2023 11:02

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 10:57

Exactly, so as a one off,a taxi seems a reasonable alternative.

That makes no sense, she won't have known it was busy till she was getting on the tram! Would you say the same to a disabled person - prioritise the rugby fans??

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 16/02/2023 11:02

Calphurnia88 · 16/02/2023 10:53

Priority seats are literally for pregnant people, along with those with disabilities who might find it more difficult to stand.

Why are people acting like this isn’t a thing?

Quite. Instead she's a deity/snowflake/entitled.

Ironically there's a popular thread right now about how children these days are ill mannered. I wonder where they get it from.

This. There are some really unpleasant, snarky, rude posts on this thread. Poor woman. I hope she's OK now. Sad

Some posters on here remind me of a couple of women I used to know who would say 'For fuck's sake, you're not ill, you're only pregnant, get over yourself!' So nasty. Different women have different experiences when they're pregnant, and whilst the experience of these rude women may have been OK, for others it's difficult, and they suffer physically (and sometimes mentally,) whilst pregnant.

No compassion whatsoever from some. What a sad world we live in. Sad

fitzwilliamdarcy · 16/02/2023 11:02

I hate pregnancy feebleness (see nonsense on another thread about not telling pregnant friends that you’re stepping back from a group chat for your own MH, as it could harm the mum to be physically and mentally), but this is not that. You’re supposed to give up a seat to a pregnant woman if she needs it, that’s why there are signs.

Yes she was behaving a bit oddly but crowded public transport is awful and I’ve felt similarly scared before with crowding and jostling, especially if people are drunk. She had an extra layer of vulnerability and perhaps got overwhelmed.

Someone should’ve given her a seat. YABU for posting this about her. I’m sure she feels stupid enough now as it is.

Swiftswatch · 16/02/2023 11:09

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 10:56

Oh give over and stop pretending it's 'normal' behaviour to shout about being touched and refuse to move down on a busy tram. She would have been ripped to shreds if she'd posted this here and you know it.

You seem to have some bizarre chip on your shoulder about reasonable accommodations being made for pregnant women.

If one of those people had just gotten up off their arse like they are supposed to this whole thing wouldn’t have happened.

pictoosh · 16/02/2023 11:11

Might have been pertinent for her to move down the carriage a bit so people could still get on though.

Rollingaroundinmud · 16/02/2023 11:11

SuchandSuchandSuch · 16/02/2023 10:57

Why didn't you recognise that the pregnant woman was stressed and upset and encourage those sitting down to offer her a seat?

It was probably packed and if the conductor felt it necessary that she either moved up or got off for her and everyone else's safety. I imagine she couldn't get involved. Wouldn't the conductor ask one of the passengers to give up their seat if she looked pregnant and stressed?

Rollingaroundinmud · 16/02/2023 11:19

Swiftswatch · 16/02/2023 11:09

You seem to have some bizarre chip on your shoulder about reasonable accommodations being made for pregnant women.

If one of those people had just gotten up off their arse like they are supposed to this whole thing wouldn’t have happened.

The tram was packed that's what happens when a team plays that day. The pregnant woman was not considering her safety or anyone else's. There was room behind her. The conductor was right to ask her to either move up or get off.

Swiftswatch · 16/02/2023 11:22

Rollingaroundinmud · 16/02/2023 11:19

The tram was packed that's what happens when a team plays that day. The pregnant woman was not considering her safety or anyone else's. There was room behind her. The conductor was right to ask her to either move up or get off.

No the right thing for the conductor to do would have been to ask one of the many people seated if they could give up her seat, which she should have priority to, not to ask her to get off.
Other people still have a life when a team plays, they have jobs to go to, kids to pick up, appointments to go to. The world doesn’t stop because there’s a match and human decency shouldn’t stop either.

Swiftswatch · 16/02/2023 11:24

@Rollingaroundinmud Wouldn't the conductor ask one of the passengers to give up their seat if she looked pregnant and stressed?

You don’t think “repeatedly shouting” ‘I’m pregnant, give me space, I need a seat’ makes it clear she was pregnant and stressed?

Seasonofthewitch83 · 16/02/2023 11:25

You are a dick.

Sincerely, someone with PTSD and cannot handle people touching me on public transport that I have no choice but to take.

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 11:28

Iggii · 16/02/2023 11:02

That makes no sense, she won't have known it was busy till she was getting on the tram! Would you say the same to a disabled person - prioritise the rugby fans??

No and I can't believe you're comparing pregnancy to disability tbh.

AllOfThemWitches · 16/02/2023 11:31

You seem to have some bizarre chip on your shoulder about reasonable accommodations being made for pregnant women.

Quite frankly, if you're not behaving reasonably, many people won't want to make 'reasonable accommodations' rightly or wrongly. I would have offered her a seat but I wouldn't necessarily have judged others for not doing so.

Rollingaroundinmud · 16/02/2023 11:37

Swiftswatch · 16/02/2023 11:24

@Rollingaroundinmud Wouldn't the conductor ask one of the passengers to give up their seat if she looked pregnant and stressed?

You don’t think “repeatedly shouting” ‘I’m pregnant, give me space, I need a seat’ makes it clear she was pregnant and stressed?

If it was jam-packed in the tram how safe was it for her. The conductor had to get involved says it all.

Rollingaroundinmud · 16/02/2023 11:39

Swiftswatch · 16/02/2023 11:22

No the right thing for the conductor to do would have been to ask one of the many people seated if they could give up her seat, which she should have priority to, not to ask her to get off.
Other people still have a life when a team plays, they have jobs to go to, kids to pick up, appointments to go to. The world doesn’t stop because there’s a match and human decency shouldn’t stop either.

The tram was jam packed was it safe to do so?

Grumblemonster · 16/02/2023 12:00

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 16/02/2023 09:30

Children are much more vulnerable than adults while standing on public transport as they are weaker than adults and the handholds usually are to high for them anyway. You do not want a child fly through a wagon because of an emergency break.

Able bodied adult persons (over 16) should stand or give up their seats for the more vulnearble.

This is another very good reason to put small children on your lap where you are able to hold onto them.

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