What did she want people to do?

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Recently went to spectate at a sporting event and we got on the tram to get there. It was rammed, we expected it to be rammed. It's a busy event.

The tram was standing room only, and it was busy Ie sardines.

This pregnant woman was standing in the middle of the aisle she wouldn't move further down so there was a huge gap behind her. She didn't look that pregnant tbh, she kept shouting. im pregnant, I need space, you all need to back off, I'm pregnant I need a seat im pregnant I can't be touched
The only people sat down were kids and old people and the families didn't offer her a seat. The guard came down and told her she needed to move down into the gap or get off. She decided to get off and then asked if the trams were going to be busy all day?

She genuinely wanted random strangers to not go to the rugby because she enforced a halo of 'im pregnant and no one can be near me'

Surely if you're that precious about being pregnant you'd get a taxi?

I’d make my kids stand if a pregnant woman needed their seat

the families didn't offer her a seat

Well they should have done. There must have been some children old enough to be able to stand and hold on tight.
Or an "old person" fit enough to stand. I know plenty of people in their 70s and 80s who do all kinds of sports.

She genuinely wanted random strangers to not go to the rugby because she enforced a halo of 'im pregnant and no one can be near me'

She didn't want random strangers to not go to the rugby. She wanted to make sure her unborn child was safe from being bashed into. When she realized it wasn't safe because she'd have to move down the tram she got off. End of story.

I got the tube daily whist pregnant and once or twice I've asked politely for a seat if I've felt rough (very early stages when I didn't look PG) and people have happily obliged. I wouldn't dream of behaving as entitled as this woman though. I've ctually given up my seat to more heavily pregnant women and elderly people when I was pregnant myself.

Once you said 'She didn't look that pregnant tbh', I automatically changed stance to hers. What a stupid thing to say.

Children are much more vulnerable than adults while standing on public transport as they are weaker than adults and the handholds usually are to high for them anyway. You do not want a child fly through a wagon because of an emergency break.

Able bodied adult persons (over 16) should stand or give up their seats for the more vulnearble.

I would have given her my seat, maybe she had pervious miscarriages, or is just generally anxious to be bumped into.

I was once on the bus when a woman with a small baby and a folded pram got on, packed bus so she stood at the front, I had my 6/7yr old at the time DD on my lap, not one person moved for her, I gave her my seat, figured it was safer for me and a much older child to stand, I was gobsmacked that no one would offer a seat for a mum and baby on a wobbly bumpy bus, we have become a rude and selfish country when we have always been known for our politeness.

Anyone here would have rolled their eyes at her too in real life.

Sounds like you are the entitled one. What sort of family tales their kids to a rugby game anyway? Doesn't seem appropriate for small kids due to the drinking so you are so entitled you think a load of louts with their teenagers come ahead if a pregnant womans safety, why? Because of some sport. You sound extremely entitled. Going to the rugby is a choice. If we all chose not to have kids the world wouldn't last very long. Also just because you choose to get pregnant doesn't mean you might not get ht, gd or spd which disable you. Pregnancy is the protect characteristic not your weird sports obsession no matter how much you believe in it. You rugby yobs intimidated her and no doubt the guard, probably advised her to leave for her safety.

Perhaps do not presume we are all as obnoxious as that in real life.

I am not so much of an asshole as to roll my eyes at someone who is distressed.

Are you tram lady?

For a lot of women that's exactly what it is though, it's treated as an illness almost. I am lucky enough to have had two easy pregnancies but during the first one I used to get a lot of grief from other women who thought I shouldn't be doing the things I was doing, some fairly major, because it made them look bad!

Why did nobody offer her seat? I appreciate it might be over the top but if I see anyone pregnant I'd be the first to jump up. I disagree when saying "she doesn't look that pregnant", early pregnancy can be so hard, nobody can tell but you can feel worse than at any other time in your pregnancy (maybe similar from 36+ weeks) x

Good heavens, I would not like to be the one to tell my grandchildren they can't go to the rugby, either a live match at a stadium of watching in the pub!

I had awful morning sickness, the idea of a rammed tram jolting around with people pressed up against me and no fresh air sounds awful. I feel sorry for her. Plus you're at higher risk from covid when pregnant so maybe she was concerned about catching it. Maybe she had asd as well as being pregnant and needed more space. Maybe she was worried about someone falling into her stomach and hurting her etc etc etc... I feel like someone should have given her a seat.

Sounds like your grandchildren are used to getting their own way and not considering others.

I remember the buses when I was little actually had a sign up saying 'Children must not occupy seats while adult passengers are standing'.

Obviously in some cases it won't be safe for a child to stand instead, but I do think children who are young/small enough to sit on their parent's lap should be seated that way if the bus is jam-packed. I'll probably get flayed alive for saying that, though.

So, get a taxi.

I completely agree that someone should have offered her a seat but the covid thing?- if you go on public transport you cant expect people to stay away from you when its crowded. If you dont like it, then wear a mask and avoid public transport- take actions to protect yourself. Unless someone is deliberately coughing on you, you cannot think you are entitled to space more than anyone else in a crowd of people. There could be lots of people vulnerable to covid, not just those who are pregnant and by that rationale, many, many people could demand space in crowded areas and think that they can block the aisles for that reason. If you choose to travel via public transport you have to accept that there will be lots of other people using it.

It is a lifestyle choice, @ouch321 , that many women are choosing not to make. Population is falling, leaving fewer working young people to support an aging population. I think we should continue making pregnancy dangerous and unpleasant for women, so that erm, no. Can't see a benefit to be honest.

Why should she have to get a taxi? She’s just asking for a bit of common decency.

If someone is crying out for help then we should listen for goodness sake. I am 70 and will give up my seat for someone who is pregnant.

She's on public transport for christ's sake, if she wants to avoid covid or has terrible nausea or whatever, she's in the worst bloody place.

I'm with you OP, I think she was being overly dramatic. I say that as someone who is currently pregnant with my third and who has travelled into London on busy trains and tubes during all pregnancies, including this one and my last one, both of which were/are high risk.

Yes being jostled and bumped is uncomfortable and not ideal but if you're getting on a rammed tram you have to expect it. Everyone saying she might not have been feeling well, she should have said so if that was the case and I bet people would have jumped up. I wouldn't expect an elderly person or a child to give up a seat for me regardless of being pregnant. The whole 'I can't be touched thing' seems OTT. As long as she had something to hold on to to steady herself and as mentioned wasn't feeling unwell, she should have just sucked it up or not got on in the first place. Being pregnant doesn't meant the world revolves around you.

The only people sat down were kids and old people and the families didn't offer her a seat.

Kids should bloody well get up for a pregnant woman.

Speak for yourself