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That rugby player…in a scrum with a woman down an alleyway… wtf!

881 replies

GoingOnce · 15/02/2023 19:53

AIBU to be shocked someone would want to do this/have it done to them? I mean, the main offense is that he’s cheated on his poor wife, but also - is this a thing??? 🤢

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squtable · 15/02/2023 20:47

I heard about this, yeah not into it at all

gelatogina · 15/02/2023 20:47

NowThatsWhatICall22 · 15/02/2023 20:44

Oh do look up how the Internet works, platform becomes irrelevant, the story is pushed further up searches. Traumatic for the children wherever they read about it, ffs!

Neither of them gave a flying fuck about their children when the chance to get down and dirty in an alleyway happened. I’m sure that’s worse that what any stranger can say on the internet.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 15/02/2023 20:47

If it was 2 consenting adults I have no issue as revolting as I think it is personally

They may have been consenting, but no-one passing by had consented to risking seeing them. Not the CCTV operators and the likes.

Consent isn’t just about the people involved. It’s also about what they risk inflicting on other people.

It wasn’t filmed that late at night - lots has been made about his 14yo, but other people’s teenagers could have been passing by. They’re lucky they didn’t end up with legal trouble as well as marital trouble.

PoshCoffee · 15/02/2023 20:47

Very tempted to go to the first Castleford match just for the crowd chants.

BrendaWearingBaffies · 15/02/2023 20:48

It's the children I feel sorry for in the current world we live in where your whole life can be played out for all and sundry thanks to the internet.

Disgusting cretins.

squtable · 15/02/2023 20:48

Yes with his pant round his ankles and knob totally out

the shame!

ReneBumsWombats · 15/02/2023 20:48

Classy.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 15/02/2023 20:49

PoshCoffee · 15/02/2023 20:47

Very tempted to go to the first Castleford match just for the crowd chants.

Given they’re playing Hull in Hull I think sky will be very glad it’s not one of their live matches!

squtable · 15/02/2023 20:50

A fairly normal sex act..

is it really?

HelloBunny · 15/02/2023 20:50

Why does a video exist?
Why do people watch them?

Reassured, once again, that I’m missing nothing by not watching Twitter / TikTok / YouTube / TV.

Cam22 · 15/02/2023 20:51

Yeah, keep it classy.

belleager · 15/02/2023 20:52

Surely it's wrong to watch anything like this when we've grounds to think either of the couple didn't consent to filming / online distribution.

I don't want to watch porn at all, but watching porn filmed without consent is an act of sexual voyeurism in itself.

We shouldn't be normalising this sort of abuse (even of people we disapprove of) by clicking on it. Never mind the implications if we learn one of them had a drink spiked / manic episode / whatever. Who needs to watch this kind of thing?

Cuppasoupmonster · 15/02/2023 20:52

Fifi00 · 15/02/2023 20:17

Really seedy they were obviously pissed and he couldn't get it up so was doing it to get an erection. 🤢🤢

Grim! Even if the video hadn’t come out, imagine seeing your husband’s friend a few days later knowing he had licked your bum hole 😱😱😱

Museya15 · 15/02/2023 20:52

PoshCoffee · 15/02/2023 20:47

Very tempted to go to the first Castleford match just for the crowd chants.

They are already calling him The Yorkshire Rimmer.

PoshCoffee · 15/02/2023 20:52

Oof. The Hull fans are not known for their restraint.

ReneBumsWombats · 15/02/2023 20:52

HelloBunny · 15/02/2023 20:50

Why does a video exist?
Why do people watch them?

Reassured, once again, that I’m missing nothing by not watching Twitter / TikTok / YouTube / TV.

Video exists and is shared because it's extremely explosive. Famous married man, hard-core sex act, public place.

I'm not saying it's right, but let's not pretend that we're so naive that we don't understand why there's an interest.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 15/02/2023 20:53

PoshCoffee · 15/02/2023 20:52

Oof. The Hull fans are not known for their restraint.

And with him being ex-Hull as well…

ReneBumsWombats · 15/02/2023 20:55

Surely it's wrong to watch anything like this when we've grounds to think either of the couple didn't consent to filming / online distribution.

They did it in public. You can put public things in public places.

I don't know if there's a difference here because of the hardcore sexual element, but if you don't consent to being seen, don't do it in public!

squtable · 15/02/2023 20:55

It’s got to have a been an affair, surely. Most people don’t go from making eyes at one another over dinner to rimming in an alleyway three or four hours later.

I thought this was strange too, like would this really be the first contact?!

Fifi00 · 15/02/2023 20:55

Do any MN legal eagles know if it's illegal to film people having sex in a public place ?

HelloBunny · 15/02/2023 20:55

Ah, no... I know there’s an interest.
But, why sully your own eyeballs?!

StreamingCervix · 15/02/2023 20:56

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 15/02/2023 20:47

If it was 2 consenting adults I have no issue as revolting as I think it is personally

They may have been consenting, but no-one passing by had consented to risking seeing them. Not the CCTV operators and the likes.

Consent isn’t just about the people involved. It’s also about what they risk inflicting on other people.

It wasn’t filmed that late at night - lots has been made about his 14yo, but other people’s teenagers could have been passing by. They’re lucky they didn’t end up with legal trouble as well as marital trouble.

I agree with this.

The video looks like it’s a man filming his walk home, which although not something I do is not uncommon in certain younger groups.

the couple were totally out of order engaging in public indecency. There wasn’t a stitch up that they were made to perform sex acts and be filmed by stealth in a hotel room or some such.

YouTarzan · 15/02/2023 20:56

I bet there's people clutching their pearls on this thread, has now googled and watched this!

LuluBlakey1 · 15/02/2023 20:56

It was an alley down the side of Greggs. He is bending, with his trousers and pants round his ankles and everything on show, behind a woman who is standing bent over with her pants down and her hands on the ground, her dress up over her back and her bare arse in the air. His face is in her backside licking her and at the same time he's shoving his fingers in and out of her vagina. It is crystal clear.

A bloke walks up the alley with his phone videoing saying Westermann is down there. He lets the camera run on and then says 'Can I have a go?' Westerman looks up and stands up exposing himself and sort of steps back looking drunk and starts to pull his pants up as if he's giving the bloke 'a go'.

I so regret clicking on it on Twitter- I thought it would be something blurry and unclear and not anything like what I saw. It's disgusting- literally an alley, he's like a dog on heat. She is just as disgusting- apparently the wife of one of his best friends. I'm still shocked by it- I think I must live a very sheltered life.

He's only sorry because he got caught. I bet he'd just have gone home and kissed and touched his wife with that mouth and that hand, or his kids. It's totally sickening and utterly humiliating for his wife, children, parents, in-laws. Cheating is bad enough but this is so vulgar and squalid and grubby.

ReneBumsWombats · 15/02/2023 20:57

HelloBunny · 15/02/2023 20:55

Ah, no... I know there’s an interest.
But, why sully your own eyeballs?!

Sex sells. Scandal sells.

I'm not saying that's a good thing or that I like it. But yeah, famous person doing something extremely embarrassing and scandalous? Since when has the public gone all coy about that?