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That rugby player…in a scrum with a woman down an alleyway… wtf!

881 replies

GoingOnce · 15/02/2023 19:53

AIBU to be shocked someone would want to do this/have it done to them? I mean, the main offense is that he’s cheated on his poor wife, but also - is this a thing??? 🤢

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Arrrrrrragghhh · 17/02/2023 23:03

Fifi00 · 17/02/2023 21:02

There's a lot of internalised misogyny on here and getting excited at two people being publicly shamed. Yes a married man rimmed a married woman in a alleyway. They should face the consequences in private from their families not from the public. I bet lots of MNers would love to bring stoning back.

I don’t think this is true.
The majority of people on here seem to be laughing at it and making up puns.

Others have said they deserve what they get but it’s their stupidity rather than any moral hardline.
Literally no one would bring back stoning. Such hyperbole.

sammylady37 · 18/02/2023 00:12

ReneBumsWombats · 17/02/2023 21:54

It's been a terrific exercise in the hypocrisy and lack of logic among shamers.

They say the dude deserves no privacy and it's fine to share the film, but they're appalled that his daughter and her peers saw it.

They're outraged and disgusted by the act, but they're watching the video and sharing details.

They're calling for endless shaming, but claim to be concerned about the families suffering.

They say cheating, especially in this way, is horrifying, but it's virtuous to call for shaming and vengeance. It is not possible to be a good person who opposes the cheating and public sex act unless you also bay for blood.

The woman is more responsible for the man's family than he is. The man has no responsibility for the woman's family.

Cheating is so bad that it is not possible to put yourself in the wrong with your response to it, even when you don't know the cheaters and it's nothing to do with you. No amount of shaming could ever be disproportionate or unnecessary. It is morally dubious to believe otherwise.

Just another day in 2023...

There is a lot of sense in this post and the poster highlights the hypocrisy of so many very well.

jemimapuddlepluck · 18/02/2023 00:54

ReneBumsWombats · 16/02/2023 16:38

How much harder do you want? The footage is online, will be there forever, and people are going crazy. How can this not be enough public shaming? Why is it the public's business anyway? Is it not between them and their families? What's our ownership?

And as for these two pricks, it's done now and his marriage at least is over. There's nothing to gain from continued shaming except to satisfy the displaced vengeance of a load of strangers, and that'll only harm the kids still further. No way continued shaming of her father will benefit the daughter. In fact, if they're just going to keep being punished, they might as well carry on doing it. What have they got to lose?

Don't know why you had to remind me that you're entitled to your opinion. I never suggested otherwise.

Sorry, just sat catching up with the thread and a whole day later I agree with you. Having seen the pics today of the prick having a fab time at training, it's just made me think. Nothing shames men like this and the people this video is hurting are his family. His poor poor family and hers. I have an awful feeling that he doesn't really give a shit. I havent seen it but read the very detailed description on here and my god, his poor daughter.
It has made me think today, seeing those pictures and what his coach said, when the woman has lost her livelihood. I hope she has someone looking out for her because I can only imagine what a dark place she is in at the moment.

pristinesurfacesGBTD · 18/02/2023 02:08

Frangipanitime · 17/02/2023 21:38

Other women on here have said they thought rimming was very common

do correct me if I’m wrong, but you were the only one who said it is every single man and that you are asked via text, often just after you text hello, to men you have never met. I mean I’m reading back and that’s what you wrote. Men you’ve never even met, you text and they text back hi, can I lick your arse. And now you’re bothered that everyone is questioning that.

Confused

😬

ConcordeOoter · 18/02/2023 02:14

"he’s a league player, his idea of an actual scrum is somewhat iffy anyway."

Clearly. Although this does explain everything.

hempenhomespun · 18/02/2023 06:41

I've a feeling that the smile will be wiped off Joe Westerman's face when he goes out on the pitch and hears the chanting as I imagine there's been some highly creative chant-composing going on in Yorkshire this week.

Also when it hits home that his wife and children will no longer be at matches cheering him on.

But I imagine the hardest thing for him will be when he has to look his 14 year old daughter in the eye for the first time knowing what she's seen and what she's been through.

Mistressofnone · 18/02/2023 08:12

@hempenhomespun agree with this. The last point is so sad but true. He'll never be able to comfortably give them a kiss hello or goodnight again. The 9 year old must be so confused too.

GodSaveTheClean · 18/02/2023 09:14

Just catching up on this thread this morning, then strangely my google search bar brought up a woman’s name straight after his?!

ImAvingOops · 18/02/2023 10:11

He's styling it out, and pretending not to give a shit. And that works for male sports stars and he'll keep his job.
But I think he must care - no one wants to be publicly mocked and as a father, he is likely to be absolutely gutted about his kids seeing this video and losing their respect.
But the injustice is that he will still be able to work and show his face in public and the woman likely won't !

BadNomad · 18/02/2023 10:15

At least the woman will be able to kiss her kids. I'd be surprised if his kids will want him near them after seeing his mouth on someone's bumhole.

ConcordeOoter · 18/02/2023 10:21

You could never trust his feedback on a pasta sauce again, either.

"Ooh mmnm that tastes lovely"

...😐

BadNomad · 18/02/2023 10:26

I want to laugh, but I don't want to get yelled at, so I'm laughing on the inside while shaking my head at you.

hempenhomespun · 18/02/2023 10:44

Yes for the people who said her name wasn't easy to find on the internet, it actually came up immediately when I typed his name in - I wasn't looking for it.

Anyway whether her name is on the internet or not doesn't matter because every single person in their families/local community/network/school knows it was her and they are the people she will have to face.

Mooshamoo · 18/02/2023 12:06

Frangipanitime · 17/02/2023 21:38

Other women on here have said they thought rimming was very common

do correct me if I’m wrong, but you were the only one who said it is every single man and that you are asked via text, often just after you text hello, to men you have never met. I mean I’m reading back and that’s what you wrote. Men you’ve never even met, you text and they text back hi, can I lick your arse. And now you’re bothered that everyone is questioning that.

Confused

You're incorrect.

I never said I never met them.

I said they are men that I am dating.

So I'm trying to clarify what you are saying, are you saying that I'm lying?

I don't really understand. What would I possibly gain from lying about this?

lurchermummy · 18/02/2023 12:41

@Whywere "tongue in cheek" I see what you did there

userxx · 18/02/2023 12:48

Such a random thing to do down an alley.

musingsinmidlife · 18/02/2023 12:52

The video should never have been posted online. Posting nudity and sex without consent is really not okay. He could have shown it to their respective spouses but to post it online - brutal for all innocent parties and really unfair and exploitative of the two guilty parties.

I get they were in public but they are clearly intoxicated beyond the point of rational decision making. What an inglorious way to cheat on your spouses.

GoingOnce · 18/02/2023 12:52

I do feel sorry for them (or perhaps it’s just second-hand cringe) in that alcohol can make people lose their minds and take risks. Who know if it’s something they’d done before but even so, in the cold, outdoors in a semi public place??? Maybe she didn’t intend to do that but was too drunk to object? They are cheaters anyway.

The stoning comments above are just silly. That has not been the tone of this thread at all. Some posters always like to come on and chuck a bit of abuse at everyone then flounce off. Mother Superior types. It was actually a reasoned conversation with a bit of cringe and laughs thrown in.

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Surplus2requirements · 18/02/2023 13:07

@GoingOnce I'm less concerned for them and don't really think of alcohol as any more than a pathetic excuse but I do agree it should never have been posted online.

The fallout for the children must horrendous. How is a 14 year old girl supposed to face her friends let alone the world after everyone has seen her Dad do that?

Sep200024 · 18/02/2023 13:25

The fact that anybody anywhere can post anything they want online (even anonymously) is one of the biggest travesties of our time.

Publishing information and putting content into the public domain has always been regulated.

You cannot take out an ad in a newspaper saying anything you like.

TV content is highly regulated.

If you call in a radio show and start being offensive, you will be immediately cut off. Because, you know, laws!

It has never been possible to widely publish anything without meeting legislative requirements.

Hey presto. The internet comes along, and absolute free rein.

And anybody who thinks it is not possible to regulate the internet does not have a thorough enough understanding of digital technology.

KattyKattyKatz · 18/02/2023 13:59

hempenhomespun · 18/02/2023 10:44

Yes for the people who said her name wasn't easy to find on the internet, it actually came up immediately when I typed his name in - I wasn't looking for it.

Anyway whether her name is on the internet or not doesn't matter because every single person in their families/local community/network/school knows it was her and they are the people she will have to face.

But they can't prove it's her . Her face was hidden . That's why the press haven't named her . She should just deny it . No one can prove it's her 100 % .

KattyKattyKatz · 18/02/2023 14:02

musingsinmidlife · 18/02/2023 12:52

The video should never have been posted online. Posting nudity and sex without consent is really not okay. He could have shown it to their respective spouses but to post it online - brutal for all innocent parties and really unfair and exploitative of the two guilty parties.

I get they were in public but they are clearly intoxicated beyond the point of rational decision making. What an inglorious way to cheat on your spouses.

I hope he gets prosecuted

KattyKattyKatz · 18/02/2023 14:03

The person who took and posted the video online that is

Whywaistedwyonna · 18/02/2023 14:18

Funnily enough, no man has ever ceased talking to me because of my aversion to anal. I always find another way to put them off.

😁😁😁

DrManhattan · 18/02/2023 17:17

Don't even slightly feel sorry for them. If you know you can't handle your drink then don't drink. I feel bad for their families. He's acting like he doesn't even care.

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