Manager said no to holiday request

[Buddythecat1]

I'm probably going to get my arse handed to me on a plate here but fck it.
I asked for two days off on Monday just passed
I asked 10 days in advance.
Just been told today that it's been refused.
I asked why, was told 'I don't know'

I am very hot headed and I have such strong temptation to walk put right now. (I have another thread about my contract if anybody cares)
I've been spoken to like shit by this manager, talked down to on a daily basis, I've been micromanaged.
I dread coming to work, I cry most days. Management allowed another employee to verbally abuse me and no consequences were ever brought to the other person.

Would I be totally unreasonable to walk out? The thought of never having to work in this place again gives me great relief. Or am I just being stupid and should suck it up

I'd get another job asap. Don't leave this one yet. When you have another job with a permanent contract and start date give in your notice and shit all over them during your notice period.

Don’t walk out at least make them pay , take sick leave while you look for work due to stress . It’s only reasonable . That way you make them pay as still walk out

Keep a diary and report verbal abuse, refused holiday, lack of breaks etc to HR. Have a paper trail. You may have a case for constructive dismissal. My DB BCC'd all his complaints to HR to himself so he had a back up and took his company to court. He won a smallish settlement but the manager was fired.

Parental leave for a kids birthday 😂😂😂 and parents evening 😂😂😂😂 wtf

I haven't read all replies but you're entitled to be given a reason as to why. If I decline a holiday request it's because someone is already off and I'll state that.

This sounds like the straw that broke the camels back more than anything based on what you've said re being spoken down to and micromanaged. Have you raised these grievances with your manager? It's perfectly OK to state that you feel you work better with less supervision and that you would like to improve your communication together. Be prepared to give examples I.e. "when you said X last week, it made me feel X".

Dont,argue right now... get a,new job and get a reference ... and then you,have more power. Much easier and preferable to get a job,when you,are,in,one.

I would call HR. State you have a hospital appointment of which you can show paperwork for. They legally can not refuse time off for hospital or medical appointments and actually should allow you pod time off for them.
Good luck for your interview tomorrow, if you get the job, give a months notice and state in writing that you’re owed X amount of days holiday so will be working 2 weeks and taking 2 weeks leave (or however much you have) during your months notice. OR if they are not allowing this then state that they will need to pay you X amount of days on top of your months notice.
hope you get the job and can leave this current one! Might be worth complaining once you’ve put in your notice.

Don’t talk wet.

I’ve never worked anywhere that requires 3 months notice for 2 days off?!!

My employer requires 1 week for every day you want off. However my bosses aren’t that strict and I can easily book a week off with around 3 weeks notice.

All of what you've said sounds like a bit of a shit show of a company. Get out, you're better than this and so is your mental health! X

During the hiring process I requested days off, the manager put it down as parental leave, but I didn't found out it was classed as parental leave until a few weeks ago
I've never requested parental leave

Tbh you sound spoiled and indisciplined. Work is a formal environment and while some places can afford to grant leave at short notices at the discretion of the manager/HR, ideally leave notice should be 3-4 weeks. If you truly have a hospital appointment, showing up with the letter shouldn’t be difficult and of course you will be given time off to attend ( could be unpaid).

re quitting, if you did, have you thought of how you would survive re finances? And in your next job, are you going to quit each time you don’t have your way?

Employers are not obliged to give time off for hospital appointments unless there are protected characteristics such as disability or pregnancy. They can ask for employees to use their own time where possible, allow unpaid time off or require the employee to make up the hours if paid - although most decent employers will allow paid time off. So many people missing the point that the OP hasn’t got any protected rights because she hasn’t worked for the employer for two years or more. She therefore can’t demand anything from her employer other than what she is entitled to as a legal minimum. The employer is only obliged to pay her any part of statutory annual holiday (28 days) untaken at the time of leaving. And the amount of notice depends on how she is paid. Weekly paid, one week’s notice, monthly paid, one months’ notice. And the employer is under no obligation to allow her to take leave during the notice period - but he is entitled to insist that she do so to avoid having to pay her for untaken holidays.

Don’t know how you arrived at this conclusion if you’ve read the OP’s posts properly because the employer is in breach of the law in several areas - would you like to do a shift in excess of six hours without a break and have to eat you lunch in the toilet ?

Unless stated otherwise in the contract of employment, the legal requirement for notice of requesting leave is two days notice for each leave day requested, plus one day. The OP was well within this. And for the umpteenth time, unless there are protected characteristics, the employer doesn’t have to grant time off for a hospital or any other medical appointment. They can ask for the employee to rearrange it in their own time if possible, grant it as unpaid leave, or ask the employee to make up the time if paid.

I don't know if you're still reading. I walked out of a job that was making me unwell. Just went home early one day and never went back. It was the best decision ever. My world didn't end, my career didn't end. I was being bullied also it was like a weird gang mentality thing. Don't let it make you sick. Xx

You couldn't have asked in advance for all four days as holidays, given two were 'emergencies', correct?

Have you asked them to convert the two days (birthday and parents' evening) to annual leave after you became aware they had granted parental leave for events about which you knew in advance? Or did you just think they were freebies?

From my lengthy experience as a manager, I would always have checked with an employee when they called in on an emergency basis how they would like the leave to be recorded. Did you specifically ask for parental leave on the emergency occasions, offer to take annual leave, or did the manager tell you it would be recorded as parental leave?

Some astute people realise parental leave is not 'free' in that others cover the work in the absence of the parent, and colleagues whilst sympathetic become pissed off when it's too frequent an occurence. I'd suggest four times in six months is excessive. Also, as you must realise, the frequency of parental leave is an indicator of reliability - particularly so where there are two parents available to share the responsibility for child care.

To be frank, if I were your manager I would be considering you extremely unreliable - six months service, two periods of absence (1x5 days, 1x2days), four periods of parental is not a good look.

If an employee with many years service had those statistics, it would be noticed and managed accordingly. Someone literally in the door for less than six months would not be considered an asset to the company going forward.

Think you should direct your hot headedness towards your employer rather than sacrifice your job and ask why it was refused. And explain you have hospital appt and you were being reasonable by taking holiday (should you really take holiday for hospital?) and show hospital appt letter as evidence. What can they say?

Never leave until you have secured another role as tempting as it may be!

Resign if you can afford to, it sounds like a shit place to work - bullying is acceptable! - bad employers dont deserve good employees. Check your contract and go sick for the whole notice period. Good luck x

You need to raise this higher up the chain and with HR. Failing that, try contacting citizens advice or similar. There’s no excuse for not allowing you to have a break. He sounds like a bully and a control freak. I am regularly granted a days holiday at a weeks notice, although I fit it in around business needs. It depends where you work I suppose.

I pretty much disagree with almost every post on here. You all sound like PITA employees
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To everyone saying dont leave until you get a new job, unless youve been in the situation were your job is making you feel ill and you are in a constant state of worry and crying every time then you don't have a clue.
OP i would leave i have recently been in your situation. I had a ball of dread goin to work everyday i ended up having really bad panic attacks in work broke down in tears in there. Couldn't speak. Couldnt move. No job is worth that. Do what you need to do to feel better. I handed in a 2 week sicknote and left. And it was the best decision i ever ever made.

Op I would formally request that the days taken off for parents evening, child's birthday, and snow day are taken out of your annual leave allowance (so that they are not lumped in with your sick leave).

Parental leave is for emergency and unexpected parental issues such as children being sick. So any days you took off for childcare of sick children should be down as parental leave and also not lumped in with sick pay. So I would write a formal email about that too.

Then I would ask how much of your annual leave allowance you have accrued and ask them to provide reasons as to why the leave request was refused. Explain the leave is required for a hospital appointment.

If response to these emails is not good. You need to hand your notice in. It is not good for you to stay on in this environment. It sounds awful.

You are entitled to a 20 minute break if working an 8hr shift. You need to politely request a break in the middle of your shift and if refused politely explain you are entitled to it. If the manager doesn't allow you a break this is another reason you should hand in your notice.

Maybe arrange to speak with the big manager above your managers as they may not be aware of what is happening.
Good luck

And record the conversations so you have proof.

I had to do this once. The doctor signed me off for a month with depression and I handed in the sick note and my months notice at the same time. I took the month to concentrate on myself. I was however in a position to just walk back into an old company that I’d worked for and do bank work for them till a permanent position came up.
Id have to complain to HR about the Lagan requirement for a break not being given

Medical leave is not included as holiday leave. This can't be argued with by the management. Notice is good but we don't always know we are going to get sick. An actual medical appointment they can't argue with especially these days with waiting lists. You don't need to give info re the particulars that's not their business. You sound like you need to be looking for other work, maybe you are. Walking out without notice well could have various impacts including references.