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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
new2mn · 15/02/2023 14:26

Honestly TLDR as well, but as someone who grew up with a very "dispersed" family out doing their own thing, I feel it's really important to eat dinner together as a family most of the time. I think it's on him to find the solution though, or at least propose some solutions which don't take you for granted.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 14:26

The nature of family life with activities is routine and inflexibility.
Not sure re his dirty comments. He leaves for work after you start working so house will be in same state as he was happy to leave it.
Another solution If he’s missing out is he dies activity run one or two evenings eg he comes in from work and straight out with girls 6-9. You can eat together at 9pm.

Notcontent · 15/02/2023 14:28

He needs to realise that this is just how family life is sometimes and it’s only going to be for a few years. My dd used to do sport training several times a week and it was very busy. That’s what she wanted to do so things had to work around that. It was quite normal among all the other families we knew. There is that time period - often between the ages of 9 and 15 or so, when some children are very busy with extra curricular activities - and then it’s over! I kind of miss it…. Maybe your DH could get more involved with that?

LimeCheesecake · 15/02/2023 14:29

But if he is miserable, instead of saying “nope, not discussing”, ask him what he thinks the solutions are and do ask why he can’t be home for 5:15/5:30pm on those evenings? Because if he could be, you could all eat together, or he could run the dcs to their clubs then come home and you two eat together. If he could fix that crunch point, then your routine would work for everyone.

it does sound like he’s used to you being around to sort everything and he’s not had to be part of the work of running round after the dcs so doesn’t see he should be an equal part of it. The problem is that he arrives home an hour after he finishes work, only a 10 minute drive away.

Blondewithredlips · 15/02/2023 14:29

puppacup · 15/02/2023 13:40

I do think it sounds a bit sad for him, i wouldn't like a family routine as you have described, it's not 'wrong' or 'unreasonable' as much as it just wouldn't suit me

Agree.

But surely there is a compromise? Dinner at 1710? DH can get home for that time if finishes work at 1700 and works 10 minutes a day.

Is there anything else going on? Why is he home 50 minutes late? Being grumpy and critical can be a worrying sign in my experience. Cherchez la femme.

Stillcountingbeans · 15/02/2023 14:29

bridgetreilly · 15/02/2023 13:38

This is how family life is sometimes. It won’t be like this forever, but he has to suck it up now. Maybe he could focus on making a warm, welcoming, clean and tidy house for you and the children to come home to, instead of sitting around feeling sorry for himself.

Maybe he could focus on making a warm, welcoming, clean and tidy house for you and the children to come home to.

This.
Is there any reason why he can't do this on the three nights you are all out by 6pm?
He still has the other 4 nights a week for you to pander to him. Why does he not realise it is sometimes his responsibility to make things nicer for you and DC, so that it is not all one way?

Apollonia1 · 15/02/2023 14:29

It's only 2 nights a week, since he is also out doing sport the third night.
Then the other 4, you eat as a family.

If he is that bothered by the 2 nights, what is stopping him being home by 5:10pm.
Also why doesn't he drive the children one day, while you relax.

KickHimInTheCrotch · 15/02/2023 14:30

We also have early tea some days so I can get kids to after school activities. Its just the phase of life we are at with kids who want to do stuff but don't have the means to get themselves about. The difference here is that I am a single parent so no grumpy husband to negotiate. He needs to get a grip and either help out or count his blessings that he has you doing all of this.

LookingOldTheseDays · 15/02/2023 14:30

SpookyBlackCat · 15/02/2023 13:36

I think he’s being a bit silly. Of course he can make dinner. He is perfectly capable of doing the washing up. It just seems he wants this 50s housewife thing where he walks in the door and is greeted by his adoring wife and kids.

This. You and the DC are not supporting actors in his life, but that seems to be what he's expecting?

You are also doing by far the bulk of the chores. How often is DIY or bike maintenance needed? And how often is cooking dinner needed?

Why isn't he ever home on time to take DC to an activity? You seem to do all of the running around for them.

GloomyDarkness · 15/02/2023 14:30

What does he actually want to happen?

On-line shopping, dish washer, putting heating on timer - could all possibly help - but if he wants you all home and waiting when he decided to rock up then there's not going to be an easy solution.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 14:32

If he’s wanting to spend time with you then it sounds perfect set up. He comes home on time. You both drop them
off at 6 - have a meal out/hobby together and pick kids up at 9.

Heronwatcher · 15/02/2023 14:32

No he’s taking the piss. I can’t actually really understand what he’s complaining about TBH as he’s had his dinner cooked for him! I think I’d address this by suggesting some things and see what his reaction is- maybe he could change his hours 8-4 a couple of days a week so he can take the kids to activities and do the shopping? Maybe he could set the slow cooker up before he leaves a couple of days a week so everyone including him can just plate up when he gets back? Say you’re happy to leave the heating and lights on but obviously the bills will be higher. I also don’t understand what he’s after- a line of applauding family members by the door every time he comes home? The radio leaving on, like for a dog? Does he want you to cancel the activities- and if so will he arrange them for an alternate time?

CloakAndTin · 15/02/2023 14:35

The whinging, the unfair division of labour, the unfair division of free time and yet there are STILL women saying they feel sorry for this selfish man. That OP should do the shopping during the time she's wfh!! Why are the bars of so many women set so low?

Here's my solution to his grumpiness - get home at 5.10, eat dinner with your family, help with the washing up, take turns taking your kids to their activities and doing the shop. Simple. God so many men are just pathetic.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 14:36

Pushing him out is an odd comment. Is it a hobby you do too so he feels left out. The most obvious solution to not feeling left out is for him to do the taking to and from the hobby sometimes.

FloydPepper · 15/02/2023 14:36

He’ll get a kicking on here as the knee jerk response is “he’s an arse”. but…

its not always possible to walk out of the door at 5pm, so I don’t think it’s fair for a load of posters to simply say he can do that. However, if he wants to prioritise kids then some days he may have to. That’s for him to sort with work and maybe take a bit of flexibility (work a bit at home later, or stay later on other nights)

he works 5 days, you work 4, so there probably should be a difference in who does what at home. Maybe he does need to do a bit more but it doesn’t sound like he’s shirking.

and yeah, I’d be a bit sad if I wasn’t able to do things with kids due to work and routine, I felt I barely saw them or you, and felt a bit left out. He’s not wrong to feel sad about that.

im sure you can both flex to make it work, I’m also sure he’s not a total arse like some are trying to paint him

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 14:36

CloakAndTin · 15/02/2023 14:35

The whinging, the unfair division of labour, the unfair division of free time and yet there are STILL women saying they feel sorry for this selfish man. That OP should do the shopping during the time she's wfh!! Why are the bars of so many women set so low?

Here's my solution to his grumpiness - get home at 5.10, eat dinner with your family, help with the washing up, take turns taking your kids to their activities and doing the shop. Simple. God so many men are just pathetic.

I know, it’s mind blowing isn’t it? The solution to this issue is all in the DH’s hands, but posters on here still think the OP should change her life and routine to suit him!

Over40Overdating · 15/02/2023 14:37

OP - you are running yourself ragged keeping the house running, doing all of the mental load of running a busy family life, and fitting in your hobbies and now you’re asking for help on how to make King Whinge, whose only job seems to be making sad faces at having everything done for him but no adoring chorus to greet him 3 nights a week, happier at the fact you have busy lives that he doesn’t help with.

You’re asking us to help with the mental load for a grown man who could quite easily buck the fuck up, get home whilst you are all still at there, programme a thermostat and load a dishwasher now and again.

If he has a problem, let him solve it. He doesn’t seem to use his brain for much else.

pizzaHeart · 15/02/2023 14:38

I think he’s being a bit silly. Of course he can make dinner. He is perfectly capable of doing the washing up. It just seems he wants this 50s housewife thing where he walks in the door and is greeted by his adoring wife and kids.
I agree with this^ what solution does he suggest? Your kids give up their clubs and sitting and waiting for him? what are exactly his complaints?Does he want you to leave him a meal just to warm up as he doesn’t want to do any cooking at all?
My DD has clubs 3 times per week. We usually eat altogether but just because my DH is home before clubs but sometimes he is not so DD is eating before and he and I are eating after but again it’s 7 pm instead of 5.30 so it works better for me. In the past the timing was different so he ate 2-3 times per week by himself. You just work around clubs and other commitments.

to be honest you surprised me with with such a long post . It doesn’t matter what you are doing while you are waiting for kids. He is welcome to replace you I’m sure and to buy himself whatever he’s fancy from the shop.

Hearmeout · 15/02/2023 14:39

When I work in a city it can take me 40 minutes, sometimes even more to travel a 10 minute distance, because 5pm is rush hour - even if you live in a rural place, 5pm is still rush hour and even if you left bang on 5pm, you'd still not be home in literally 10 minutes.

I can understand him getting home to an empty house where it feels very much like there's him and then there's 'the girls' (mum and 2DD's) off doing their own thing without him and he probably feels a bit like a spare part.

I think it's good that he's voiced his feelings about this and also good that you call him lovely and want to resolve it.

Is there an option for the girls to do a lift share to any of their activities at all? So you could take turns with other parents and free up some time to be with your DH, if that's something you also want?

LindorDoubleChoc · 15/02/2023 14:41

This is why some people hate the idea of living rurally, especially with teens.

MyAnacondaMight · 15/02/2023 14:43

Suggested compromises:

  • Once a week, he comes home just before 6pm in order to take children to their sport. He then comes home and you eat together/go out/spend time together.
  • Once a week, he comes home for 5:15 and you all eat together as a family. He then does drop off or pick up for the sport.

I suspect he’ll be less keen for this family time if it involves him actually pulling his weight and contributing to family life.

Mumsanetta · 15/02/2023 14:43

Its always helpful to list some of his positive qualities as he doesn’t seem lovely from your post.

DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty - can he not do some cleaning as he is not having to do the early morning clean that you do or get two kids fed and out the door and cold, - has he considered putting the heating on a timer or wearing warmer clothes? no-one is home - can he not join you? and the washing-up is not done - he has an empty house, perfect time to do washing up so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility. - can he not be a part of the routine eg you take turns to take kids to activities? What exactly is he doing while you’re running around like a headless chicken? Sounds a lot like he just doesn’t want to be involved with the childrens’ activities, in which case, he doesn’t get to complain about them. Also sounds like he wants to come home to a hot meal and his family waiting for him without having to make the effort to leave the office on time, in which case, he should fuck right off.

whatchaos · 15/02/2023 14:44

In one way I’d be delighted to have that much free time and have someone make my dinner and do all the chores! But I’d feel weird and selfish about it. What you can do is stop indulging him - he either helps with your dcs sports or comes home to an empty house - he can’t have both. Or you find someone you can lift share with.

Outnumbered99 · 15/02/2023 14:44

YolayCaprese · 15/02/2023 13:54

Tbh if I got home to a cooked dinner, empty house and the TV to myself three nights a week I'd be fucking rejoicing. Sounds like he could "join in" a heck of a lot more with the ferrying and shopping rather than staying at work or home. That's how it's resolved, he gets home earlier or meets you at the club/shops.

Exactly this!

He could get home earlier, but doesn't for whatever reason (why is this?). I agree with him, i hate coming home to a dark empty house but that's easily solved by a few lights on timer, heating on timer etc. Sounds like he's not got a bad deal at all in this situation OP. Is it a time of year thing, I think we all really need spring to arrive more than usual this year

Crumpleton · 15/02/2023 14:45

DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea."

I think I'd be a bit grumpy.
Wouldn't bother me getting my own dinner but unless you're one that uses all the pots and pans between the three of you washing the dishes would only take a few minutes.