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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Botw1 · 17/02/2023 13:18

@Guis

Imagine being so insecure that you think your wife is doing all the housework and childcare because they don't want to be with you

Instead of thinking, fuck. Maybe I should do some to make things fairer

amonsteronthehill · 17/02/2023 13:24

VortexOfDisaster · 17/02/2023 05:45

You are all so accustomed to you taking on the mental load burden for the family that none of you see this for what it is, or how unfair it is on you.

He’s behaving like an arse. There are no two ways about it, and anyone feeling he’s got a divine man-right to feel coddled and adored every minute of his precious existence needs to give their head a wobble. He has literally nothing to complain about from the scenarios you describe and everything to be enormously grateful for. In fact, you’re the one who should be demanding more consideration. And a little bit of acknowledgement for the significant role you play in keeping daily family life ticking over wouldn’t go amiss.

But he’s dumping his grumbles on you and expecting you to sort them for him, like you sort everything else.

And, although you seem a very capable and intelligent woman, without even thinking about what you are doing, you’ve accepted his expectation that you have the responsibility to make him happier. Spending time on charts, making suggestions, feeling you have to do even more washing up to please him. Why is it your responsibility to do this? Why is your time and head space worth so much less than his?

Give him back the responsibility. If he’s offended by the sight of a couple of dirty pots, he can turn on the hot tap, squirt some fairy liquid and frigging wash them up, rather than standing there making sad eyes at them. If he doesn’t like coming home to a big empty house twice a week (I mean, seriously?!), aww, tiny violins, what is HE going to do about it?

It’s nobody else’s responsibility, and your daughters giving up their sports should not be suggested even in jest. Why on earth should they feel in anyway responsible for senseless man-whinging? I would also be keen to make it clear to them that women should not be made to feel responsible for solving every gripe, housework or logistics issue in the family.

While it’s brilliant you’ve made a stand, I’m not sure the ‘going on strike’ message on meals is going to get across that all of these things are not your responsibility (particularly if you’re then going to do the washing up just to please him… just don’t!!). He really needs to understand that it’s not your job to provide him with a perfect home coming every day. You work almost full-time - he doesn’t even have the 50’s wifey excuse (and even if you didn’t work, I don’t think it would be a reasonable expectation).

Having said all of that, I think there’s something else going on. It sounds like there has been a relatively recent increase in irritability and complaining (and let’s be clear, over completely non-issues), which could be an indication of many common mental health issues. He should see his GP to discuss symptoms rather than take it out on his family. We did not evolve to cope with 21st century pressures, and we all need to regularly have our mental health checked out the same way we get our physical health checked out.

Well said.

Sounds like your husband is also modelling the kind of marriages he wants to stick his kids with: Go ahead and be highly successful daughters, earn more than your future partners, but please still remember your 'place' as the woman will be to organise everything for everyone and carry the load at home and with children, too. And if your future partner moans, you need to jump and jump and jump until it's sorted.

Ask him if that's what he wants for them, too, since he seems entitled to do that to you.

G5000 · 17/02/2023 13:48

Guis · 17/02/2023 12:42

The options suggested to him as far as I can see are :
Give up his job
Change his job to work from home and so on.
None of which he perhaps would find feasible to do.

If you read OPs posts, she had suggested that
He leaves when the work finishes;
He works from home some afternoons;
He joins her at her activity, which he also has been previously doing.

All quite reasonable options in my opinion and would not require that the rest of the faimly gives up on their activities. His response to all of them was that he doesn't want to.

monsteramunch · 17/02/2023 13:48

Botw1 · 17/02/2023 13:18

@Guis

Imagine being so insecure that you think your wife is doing all the housework and childcare because they don't want to be with you

Instead of thinking, fuck. Maybe I should do some to make things fairer

Absolutely this!

G5000 · 17/02/2023 13:50

When do you all chill or just hang about at home and enjoy each others’ company?

They do activities 3 times per week. I'm not that strong in maths but this would give them...4 evenings per week to enjoy each other's company.

emptythelitterbox · 17/02/2023 14:01

I find it's interesting he's never late like 6 to 6.30pm when he has his sport. He manages to get there on time.

I also suppose there are no women where he works that manages to leave on time at 5pm most days.

I've seen this in every workplace I've ever been, men staying back so they don't have to do anything when they get home in the evening.

I get the feeling OP that your DDs already believe everything is your job and your responsibility.

another1bitestheduck · 17/02/2023 14:13

RachelGreeneGreep · 17/02/2023 00:50

Amen! And I wish it was posted across every part of Mumsnet and elsewhere.
I will never fail to be gobsmacked by all the women who apparently see it as fair that they are run ragged by the daily grind while their husbands/ partners 'look after the cars' or 'take the bins out' or 'do all the DIY'...

None, not even ONE of those things compare to washing, cooking, cleaning, looking after children etc etc day in, day out.

Yes! My favourite "blue" jobs that are apparently equivalent in time and effort to cooking, cleaning and childcare every single day are "sorts the bills" (i.e set up some direct debits 5 years ago and hasn't touched them since) "takes the bins out" and "sorts everything to do with the car"

Which, again, consists of what exactly? dd for insurance, maybe arranges an MOT once a year. Even if its expanded to occasionally checking oil and tyre pressure or chucking a few buckets of water over it this takes a few minutes once a month.

Strangely these also seem to be the jobs that require an excess of gratitude, where the DH announces "I washed the car for you" and expects you to go out and ooh and ahh at the shininess, whereas if you presented the DC and said with a proud beam "Look DH I washed your children for you," he'd look at you like you were barmy.

LookItsMeAgain · 17/02/2023 15:15

Guis · 17/02/2023 12:31

Everyone is saying it is for him to fix. Surely, as part of a couple it is for them both too. They both have to come to an agreement about what changes.
But you both have to want to fix. If one of you doesn't then it won't happen.

I cannot help feel from Legworks emails she actually doesn't want to be part of a couple anymore. And he suspects it. And that is at the root of things.

I also wonder whether the DD1 has read any of mumsnet and recognised her Mums posts. And the replies. I hope not.

I am sorry but you came to the conclusion that it is @legworker that wants out even though she is doing 90% of the heavy lifting in this partnership???? Even though she put forward suggestions to her husband on what could possibly be done to remedy his issues and HE declined every suggestion? But not to worry, it's actually the OP who is the one who wants to leave this couple, this partnership?

This is the first time I've ever typed this but are you on glue????

AliceTheeCamel · 17/02/2023 15:56

My life is mega busy, but I thrive on that

I think this is one of the key things you've posted OP. It sounds like your DH really doesn't thrive on being mega busy, so making his life busier to keep up with the rest of you probably isn't going to work.

There is definitely a 50s housewife undertone to what you've posted about your DHs expectations though, which needs calling out.

rookiemere · 17/02/2023 16:04

@AliceTheeCamel actually that is a fair point. My friend is an absolute whirling dervish. She thrives on having multiple complex plans at any point in time. I love meeting her as she's great to spend time with, but I couldn't be married to her.

However presumably OP has always been like this, so it's not a new concern for the DH, and if her DDs both want to go to activities 3 nights a week, then they should be supported by their parents- plural if possible.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 17/02/2023 17:20

mewkins · 17/02/2023 13:10

This is just plain odd. What exactly would a 15 year old google in order to chance upon this thread? 'Useless whiny father expecting family to pander to him'?

Guis, are you training to be a relationship counsellor by any chance?

I think it's highly unlikely that she has read them. It sounds as though the blowing up at her father was about a different issue anyway. Not sure why any posters would think she has.

But, if she has, it will be because her mum is logged in on one of her devices and it hardly takes a genius to click on the "Threads I'm on" or "Threads I've started" or the "Notifications" links.

Emma2023 · 17/02/2023 19:03

So what does he actually want you to do about it? It’s only 3 nights a week, children have sports to be taken to . 🤷🏼‍♀️

MarvellousMonsters · 18/02/2023 09:01

Cook enough to feed all of you, so he hasn't got to make his own. What is he doing that he doesn't get home till after 6, when he finishes work at 5 and has a 10 minute commute? He could easily be home earlier, join in with the meal/activities, so it sounds like a Him problem.

Goodadvice1980 · 18/02/2023 16:10

Has he decided what changes he intends to make to be more involved in family life OP?

metellaestinatrio · 19/02/2023 09:37

I have read the whole thread (over about three days!) and have to agree with others that it is utterly depressing that not only does the OP work, making an equal financial contribution to the household, and pick up everything in the house and for the children while “D”H occasionally mows the lawn and fixes a bike or two, but she is also expected to bear the emotional load of coaxing her big baby husband out of a sulk and ensuring he feels important enough!

I won’t repeat the points others have made above but there are multiple ways he can resolve the situation and be more involved with his family (which the OP has had to think of and present to him) and he is not only refusing to consider any of them but also failing to come up with any suggestions of his own. He sounds exhausting and I don’t really see what he is adding to family life - instead, managing his emotions is another job on OP’s endless to do list. If I were OP I would be seriously considering what I was getting out of the relationship and whether I wanted to carry on tiptoeing around Mr Grumpy for the next few decades.

ButterflyOil · 19/02/2023 10:06

another1bitestheduck · 17/02/2023 14:13

Yes! My favourite "blue" jobs that are apparently equivalent in time and effort to cooking, cleaning and childcare every single day are "sorts the bills" (i.e set up some direct debits 5 years ago and hasn't touched them since) "takes the bins out" and "sorts everything to do with the car"

Which, again, consists of what exactly? dd for insurance, maybe arranges an MOT once a year. Even if its expanded to occasionally checking oil and tyre pressure or chucking a few buckets of water over it this takes a few minutes once a month.

Strangely these also seem to be the jobs that require an excess of gratitude, where the DH announces "I washed the car for you" and expects you to go out and ooh and ahh at the shininess, whereas if you presented the DC and said with a proud beam "Look DH I washed your children for you," he'd look at you like you were barmy.

Excellent point and the I washed your children for you made me belly laugh! It’s so true!!

Xol · 19/02/2023 19:11

He has a "9-5" job but doesn't just get to clock off at 5. So he's often home after 6 simply because he is working late trying to get stuff done. I have suggested going in earlier so he can leave earlier, but he claims that an early start won't result in an earlier finish (boss seems quite old-fashioned and a bit of a workaholic, and expects everyone in the office until at least 5.30pm).

I can understand that having had jobs like that myself. We were staying late mostly because of sheer volume of work and the fact that quite a lot of it tended to be urgent in order to help vulnerable people; there were also factors like needing to clock up chargeable time, and to be fair our boss was very much leading by example. It couldn't be remedied by getting in early or anything like that, because of the nature of the work. So to that extent I can understand your husband's difficulties.

My sympathies disappear, however, on the basis that it never occurred to me that DH had a duty to have a meal ready for me when I got in, or that it was solely up to him to do the washing up etc. My working hours were solely my problem to deal with, and weren't an excuse to opt out of family life.

Guis · 20/02/2023 13:03

Retreat · 16/02/2023 19:28

Sorry, but there is no way I’d be putting the rubbish out with a man in the house. I do the majority of the cooking because I enjoy it, DH cleans up the kitchen and is in charge of the dishwashers. DH and I share the DCs activities, however I do more of it. Your DC are of an age where in 5 years they will be off. I say enjoy your time with them.

Since when is putting the rubbish out a task just for a man ?

pointythings · 20/02/2023 13:28

@Guis it isn't, but speaking from personal experience, many men tend to underestimate their contribution to household tasks using this as an example. My late husband did it too (he started off great, went badly downhill aided and abetted by booze). We both worked full time. I had a considerable commute, he did not. I did the cooking, shopping, dishes, laundry, all kid stuff, home and car insurance, the bulk of the DIY. His argument was that he put the bins out (once a week) and put his own laundry away once clean and dry (we all did, kids too from a young age) and that shopping, cooking and caring for the DC didn't count as household work because 'I enjoyed that stuff'. Doing the food shop didn't count because it was 'an outing'. So the division of household labour became 90/10.

'I put the bins out' is shorthand for 'I am saying that I do my share even though I don't.'

latetothefisting · 20/02/2023 16:12

Possibly derailing but I've got no idea why "putting the bins out" is seen as such a disgusting, physically difficult job that women want to avoid/be protected from if at all possible. I lived alone for years, have put bins out in flats, streets, all in one bins and separated recycling and its one of the quickest, easiest household jobs going!

I'd swap 5mins of bins a week for hours of cooking/cleaning/ironing any time!

The way people talk about "doing the bins" you'd assume it involves diving headfirst into weeks of rotting garbage to separate it into piles of recyling/waste with your mouth rather than tying the bin bag( /s if you separate waste) closed and carrying it to the outside bin/s.

pointythings · 20/02/2023 16:32

latetothefisting · 20/02/2023 16:12

Possibly derailing but I've got no idea why "putting the bins out" is seen as such a disgusting, physically difficult job that women want to avoid/be protected from if at all possible. I lived alone for years, have put bins out in flats, streets, all in one bins and separated recycling and its one of the quickest, easiest household jobs going!

I'd swap 5mins of bins a week for hours of cooking/cleaning/ironing any time!

The way people talk about "doing the bins" you'd assume it involves diving headfirst into weeks of rotting garbage to separate it into piles of recyling/waste with your mouth rather than tying the bin bag( /s if you separate waste) closed and carrying it to the outside bin/s.

You're so right! Maybe people think it's always done like the traditional punishment in Hell's Kitchen? I've been doing the bins since my husband left the household and honestly, it is a nothing of a household task.

billy1966 · 20/02/2023 17:11

latetothefisting · 20/02/2023 16:12

Possibly derailing but I've got no idea why "putting the bins out" is seen as such a disgusting, physically difficult job that women want to avoid/be protected from if at all possible. I lived alone for years, have put bins out in flats, streets, all in one bins and separated recycling and its one of the quickest, easiest household jobs going!

I'd swap 5mins of bins a week for hours of cooking/cleaning/ironing any time!

The way people talk about "doing the bins" you'd assume it involves diving headfirst into weeks of rotting garbage to separate it into piles of recyling/waste with your mouth rather than tying the bin bag( /s if you separate waste) closed and carrying it to the outside bin/s.

Agreed.

Only on MN are "the bins" cited as a job, invariably by women with lazy, selfish husbands.

I too have put bins out as does my husband.

Neither of us count it as any sort of "job".

I also do the insurances, for house and cars, annual utility shop around...again not a big job.....but cited by some as to why their husbands never lift a finger for the rest of the year...

Most women would happily do THAT swap.

I'd put out the bins for my urban road if it got me out of shopping, cooking and laundry here😁

WaddleAway · 20/02/2023 18:25

latetothefisting · 20/02/2023 16:12

Possibly derailing but I've got no idea why "putting the bins out" is seen as such a disgusting, physically difficult job that women want to avoid/be protected from if at all possible. I lived alone for years, have put bins out in flats, streets, all in one bins and separated recycling and its one of the quickest, easiest household jobs going!

I'd swap 5mins of bins a week for hours of cooking/cleaning/ironing any time!

The way people talk about "doing the bins" you'd assume it involves diving headfirst into weeks of rotting garbage to separate it into piles of recyling/waste with your mouth rather than tying the bin bag( /s if you separate waste) closed and carrying it to the outside bin/s.

That’s what I was thinking! I ‘do the bins’ because DH often works away in the week. It literally involves wheeling the bin down the side passage to the front of the house (or carrying the recycling boxes). I don’t get what the fuss is about.

minipie · 20/02/2023 19:54

Doing the bins here means pulling the full bin bag out of the kitchen bin, taking it to the front dustbins and putting a fresh bag in the kitchen bin. Same again for the recycling. It’s not a massive job but it’s definitely easier for DH who is a foot taller and a lot stronger than me, as getting the full bin bag out is quite an effort. Same with making up beds - much easier for DH. Meanwhile I find it much easier than him to do all the floor level tasks Grin

As an aside, DH is currently washing the children for me. Doing the bins doesn’t let him off that…

Desertbarncat · 20/02/2023 20:11

He could be home by 5:10, he chooses not to be. He also chooses not to be home in time to take the kids anywhere or go with you to take them.