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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
converseandjeans · 15/02/2023 14:09

Why isn't he home until 6? He could get home earlier, eat with you & do the sport run once a week.

He's lucky the girls still want to do that much sport. Would he prefer them to be on Snapchat or watching Netflix?

Just have family time on say a Friday night & Sunday lunch?

TheSandgroper · 15/02/2023 14:11

He could even get up an hour earlier and have family time then, too.

Summerhillsquare · 15/02/2023 14:11

Jesus, OP, you must be exhausted. How are you feeling about it all?

Buenosfairies211 · 15/02/2023 14:12

And sorry but the person who does the bulk of the work gets to set the schedule.

If he wants the schedule changed then he has to contribute more rather than expect everyone to fit in with his preferences.

Gribbie · 15/02/2023 14:14

Can't he come home promptly on some of these days and eat with you at 5:10?

SleepingStandingUp · 15/02/2023 14:14

You need to ask him two questions

Why are you never home until 6 if you want to eat with us and see the girls and I?

What would you like to change?

I'm not saying you agree with him, but getting him to articulate it might make it easier for him to see why he's unreasonable

SchoolQuestionnaire · 15/02/2023 14:15

Sorry op but he sounds like a right knobber and you sound far more sympathetic and understanding than he deserves.

I remember those days of ferrying kids to and fro every night whilst trying to squeeze in an iota of time for myself and it was a fucking nightmare. If my dh had been whining about having to zap his tea in the microwave, organise himself to sort the heating timer and stick a load in the dishwasher while I was running myself ragged I’m not sure I’d have been able to restrain myself.

Yes, the situation isn’t ideal but it will soon pass. In the meantime your kids are perfectly entitled to have their hobbies and so are you. As a pp says if he’s that bothered about family time he can always get himself home earlier. If that doesn’t appeal he needs to get a fucking grip, start pulling his weight and stop being such a whiny twat.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 15/02/2023 14:15

I’m another one wondering why DH can’t get home before 6pm.

Other practical things: heating on a timer (I’m assuming you use a heating type that makes this viable, not a basic wood burner or something). Use of a slow cooker. Food delivered rather than you shopping after drop off.

But really this is a bigger question about whether you are all happy with the division of labour in the household and how evenings are spent. I think it’s all a bit too “ships in the night” for my liking but then it may work for you all.

Oopswediditagain2023 · 15/02/2023 14:15

JJJSchmidt · 15/02/2023 13:37

I do think it sounds a bit sad for him, i wouldn't like a family routine as you have described, it's not 'wrong' or 'unreasonable' as much as it just wouldn't suit me. I think you need to talk to each other about the things that could change as a family to make aure that everyone's needs are met.

Same. Me and my partner having dinner together is a non-negotiable for me as it's often the only time we have together to talk about our days

qpmz · 15/02/2023 14:16

Skip the twice a week supermarket shop and do it online. You can pop out for essentials when you're wfh. Spend that extra time at home or meet your dh/friends for some dinner.

Is it possible one of the other parents can pick up and drop off the girls once a week and you return the favour. This will give you one evening back.

Circumferences · 15/02/2023 14:16

Yeah I also don't get how he gets home after 6pm when he finished at 5pm, 10 mins away.

He's choosing to stay late at work then complaining at you that he's unhappy with his choice and expects you to do something differently?
Or is his boss a big meanie and keeping him back?

Either way it's his work that's the problem not you.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 14:17

I think it’s for him to come up with solutions. My first thought is him apply to work 8-4 then he can have tea at 5pm with you and do some of the 6-9pm driving to activities.
It sounds like he wants you all in house - greeting him and family meal together but that’s not practical if children do activities in week.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 14:17

Oopswediditagain2023 · 15/02/2023 14:15

Same. Me and my partner having dinner together is a non-negotiable for me as it's often the only time we have together to talk about our days

He could come home from work earlier then, and be able to eat with his family every day.

theonlygirl · 15/02/2023 14:18

You are facilitating your children's activities, using your time productivity whilst doing so and managing to squeeze in some exercise for yourself. Well done you. Modern family life.

Would he rather the kids missed out on their sports so you can all sit round the table listening to how his day was? Why do dirty dishes mean he can't make dinner, are his arms broken?

Maybe he can adjust his hours to participate if he's that lonely 🙄

countrygirl99 · 15/02/2023 14:19

If the washing up not being done stops him making his tea just get more saucepans or whatever.
Just because his job is nominally 9-5 doesn't mean he will finish at 5. Professional jobs usually require some flexibility and if a client phones at 5 to 5 or a task needs completing that's tough.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 14:20

countrygirl99 · 15/02/2023 14:19

If the washing up not being done stops him making his tea just get more saucepans or whatever.
Just because his job is nominally 9-5 doesn't mean he will finish at 5. Professional jobs usually require some flexibility and if a client phones at 5 to 5 or a task needs completing that's tough.

Or he could do the washing up, then there would be plenty of pans.

snoodles · 15/02/2023 14:20

He could go to work early and finish early? 8-4 or even 8.30-4.30 and get home for 5?

Sounds like you're doing a lot! And all he is going is getting up and going to work .. with a bit of his OWN meal making in the evening. He needs to step up and be a responsible grown up.

ChildminderMum · 15/02/2023 14:21

What's he doing between 5-6?

Why doesn't he get home earlier to eat with you?

Why can't he take the girls to their sports one or two nights a week?

MsSupineLickspittle · 15/02/2023 14:22

He could do the shop on his way home, he could do one of two of the three 9pm pick ups, he could clean or wash up or whatever rather than whinge about you Doing Everything. What a whinging twat.

Rattles1 · 15/02/2023 14:23

This post is just too long, is all the info really needed

Movingsoon21 · 15/02/2023 14:23

The obvious solution is that he gets home quicker on at least one of the nights so he can take the girls to their training. At the moment he is choosing to opt out of family life on those days and that’s not good for any of you.

been and done it. · 15/02/2023 14:23

If he finishes work at 5pm and it's 10 minutes from home not sure why you lot can't eat at 5 past 5 and him come home and join you 5 minutes later. Bit of a hassle but would accommodate his needs.
He sounds like hard work in this particular respect.

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 14:24

I think you are all getting your priorities wrong. Theres no balance here.

Of course he's miserable if he comes home at 6pm half the week and theres no one home.

But equally he could be home a few mins earlier, go and join you and the girls for whatever you are doing (including simply going to the supermarket) but he isn't.

And it seems like you and the girls are doing so much there's no room for him in your lives either.

Something needs to give.

Making sure he has a microwavable meal when he gets in, isn't the solution here and thinking it is, is probably part of the problem. You don't seem to have any desire to WANT to spend time together as a family either. He does seem to have something of a point in that respect. But he equally can't demand you three give up everything either.

Neither of you is right. But neither of you is wrong either. The shopping still needs to be done. You need time for yourself. How and when you achieve that is the difficulty because it is easy to see why he's unhappy too.

WinterFoxes · 15/02/2023 14:24

He needs to help come up with a solution, not just grumnp until you fix it. One would be to make slow cooker food on those days. It means one of you (NOT necessarily you!) gets up half an hour earlier that morning to prep a casserole or curry or chilli that then cooks during the day. Coming home to the smell of warm food is lovely. Why not take turns to do that on the busy days?

He needs to recognise that if the house is dirty and there are pots in the sink it is because you are busy working and caring for children and it isn't your job to create a show home for him.

LimeCheesecake · 15/02/2023 14:25

So solutions are:

  1. he leaves work at 5pm - possibly doing extra paperwork at home if realistically his work needs extra time
  2. you stop the dcs playing their sport so they can spend those 3 evenings a week with their dad
  3. he changes jobs
  4. he accepts that 3 nights a week he has to fend for himself

(I’d do online food orders to be delivered rather than spend your time the dcs are training to go to the supermarket)