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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Mirabai · 16/02/2023 18:20

He could crack on with some cleaning while you’re out? And make some supper. He’s not an 8 year old boy.

Lozois99 · 16/02/2023 18:27

The kids have activities. Thats as it should be. Seems like youre sucking up all the parenting and he wants thing to suit him.

Gendercritic · 16/02/2023 18:32

bridgetreilly · 15/02/2023 13:38

This is how family life is sometimes. It won’t be like this forever, but he has to suck it up now. Maybe he could focus on making a warm, welcoming, clean and tidy house for you and the children to come home to, instead of sitting around feeling sorry for himself.

THIS! ⬆Honestly, he wants to get a grip...life is throws out different challenges at different life stages.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 18:33

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 18:01

@Rollergirl999 not everyone who officially finishes at 5 can actually finish work at 5

While I completely understand having to be flexible in professional roles (I have one myself and often work far later than 5), if he is having to work an extra hour every single day with no flexibility in the other direction then he either needs to speak to his manager about workload or it’s just a case of presenteeism. The fact that I often work later than 5 means that I can leave on time or even early when I need to.

fetchacloth · 16/02/2023 18:40

Sucessinthenewyear · 15/02/2023 13:38

I think it’s his job to come up with a solution.

Yes, I agree. It's all very well him having a moan, but perhaps he could offer a solution or alternatives whilst he's at it. This would be more constructive really.

Birdcloud · 16/02/2023 18:41

Family conference needed I think - also can you afford a cleaner or helper? My view is that your are stuck in a very strict routine that DH cannot manage to deal with, perhaps all of you need to add some flexibility into your routine.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 18:43

Birdcloud · 16/02/2023 18:41

Family conference needed I think - also can you afford a cleaner or helper? My view is that your are stuck in a very strict routine that DH cannot manage to deal with, perhaps all of you need to add some flexibility into your routine.

How can you be flexible around what time you drop your children at an activity and pick them up? I assume they have to be there at a particular time and collected at a particular time. Things with a start and end time have to be rigid.

Guis · 16/02/2023 18:56

They don't both work full time. She works Monday to Thursday. No commute. 8 till 4.

He works Monday to Friday. Despite referencing his hours as 9 to 5 they aren't. Which wasn't a true reflection of things at all.
If he is any sort of professional it doesn't work like that. Some meetings might start at 5pm. He has to be in by 9 in the morning but is likely in earlier. He
gets home after 6 according to the OP. He is also in a new job and so will be wanting to settle into the way of things.

She can unload or part unload a dishwasher whilst waiting for a kettle to boil. She can put the bins out. She can put a wash on. I am sure she takes some breaks during the day. Even to go to the loo.
He is not able to do the same. His work is not based at home.

She likes doing the food shopping according to the OP. And she likes doing the full breakfast each morning. And taking her daughters and doing the ferrying.

She already has explained he does many things which she doesn't go near. Seasonal or not. The kids from what I can see sort a much themselves - get their own lunches, sort their laundry, bedrooms, getting to school etc. She drives them to their hobby, and doesn't mind doing that.

But nowhere did I suggest as she doesn't commute she should do everything.
It enables her to do some things which he cannot. So it is an unfair comparison. But then, he also does things she doesn't. They do different things. And always have. And just to say she also acknowledges he does do washing up and hovering.

Guis · 16/02/2023 19:00

Do you think DD has read mums net and worked out you are the OP? The timing would seem right.

And potentially that your DH has too ?

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 19:02

Guis · 16/02/2023 18:56

They don't both work full time. She works Monday to Thursday. No commute. 8 till 4.

He works Monday to Friday. Despite referencing his hours as 9 to 5 they aren't. Which wasn't a true reflection of things at all.
If he is any sort of professional it doesn't work like that. Some meetings might start at 5pm. He has to be in by 9 in the morning but is likely in earlier. He
gets home after 6 according to the OP. He is also in a new job and so will be wanting to settle into the way of things.

She can unload or part unload a dishwasher whilst waiting for a kettle to boil. She can put the bins out. She can put a wash on. I am sure she takes some breaks during the day. Even to go to the loo.
He is not able to do the same. His work is not based at home.

She likes doing the food shopping according to the OP. And she likes doing the full breakfast each morning. And taking her daughters and doing the ferrying.

She already has explained he does many things which she doesn't go near. Seasonal or not. The kids from what I can see sort a much themselves - get their own lunches, sort their laundry, bedrooms, getting to school etc. She drives them to their hobby, and doesn't mind doing that.

But nowhere did I suggest as she doesn't commute she should do everything.
It enables her to do some things which he cannot. So it is an unfair comparison. But then, he also does things she doesn't. They do different things. And always have. And just to say she also acknowledges he does do washing up and hovering.

If the OP is ‘any sort of professional’ then she will also be working longer than her core hours, will be unlikely to be able to take breaks in the day and probably has to answer emails etc on her ‘day off’ too. Just because she works at home doesn’t mean she has loads of free time. I work from home and often barely leave the computer all day, and rarely log off at 5pm. Why do you think she’s less of a ‘professional’ than he is?

Guis · 16/02/2023 19:09

She will. And nor does it translate I would also think she has loads of free time. It can be true you can get locked into your computer.
I have no idea any more than you who is competent or not at their work. And if they are both professionals you would expect her to have a bit more understanding about his working demands. Not many professionals can be home for a 5pm dinner. Not many professional partners would expect them to be either.
She presents as very organised. And I am sure makes herself a cup of tea or coffee during the day. She would know you should take the odd break to be efficient. Don't try to dismiss my comments by trying to claim I am saying something that I am not.

ShandaLear · 16/02/2023 19:11

Is there any reason he can’t do a bit of tidying up and cooking? He sounds like a selfish lazyarse.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 19:11

Guis · 16/02/2023 19:09

She will. And nor does it translate I would also think she has loads of free time. It can be true you can get locked into your computer.
I have no idea any more than you who is competent or not at their work. And if they are both professionals you would expect her to have a bit more understanding about his working demands. Not many professionals can be home for a 5pm dinner. Not many professional partners would expect them to be either.
She presents as very organised. And I am sure makes herself a cup of tea or coffee during the day. She would know you should take the odd break to be efficient. Don't try to dismiss my comments by trying to claim I am saying something that I am not.

The OP is understanding about his work demands. That’s why she picks up his slack and takes their children to their hobby three nights a week.

Theelephantinthecastle · 16/02/2023 19:11

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 18:33

While I completely understand having to be flexible in professional roles (I have one myself and often work far later than 5), if he is having to work an extra hour every single day with no flexibility in the other direction then he either needs to speak to his manager about workload or it’s just a case of presenteeism. The fact that I often work later than 5 means that I can leave on time or even early when I need to.

Exactly. The majority of professionals don't have a stay at home spouse or nanny so will have to leave on time sometimes for commitments - the OP's DH totally could and I bet there are women in his team who do it.

GatoradeMeBitch · 16/02/2023 19:17

He can't make his own dinner because the washing up isn't done? If I took that stance I'd have starved to death long ago...

You start the thread calling him lovely, but your last post is about him blowing up at his daughter because he thought she didn't reply to his "good morning".

You're sure he's lovely? He sounds like an overgrown toddler who weaponizes domestic uselessness against you. No, I do not think you should be making extra food for him to warm up when he gets in. You sound more than busy enough. I think he should start being an active member of your family, not a man-child in a huff.

GatoradeMeBitch · 16/02/2023 19:19

She already has explained he does many things which she doesn't go near.

None of which are regular time commitments. Tinkering with the car, house maintenance, mowing the lawn, occasionally washing the outside of the windows. Surprised she didn't include taking the bins out.

I do all those things myself, and none of them are the time drains which shopping, childcare, cleaning, washing, ironing and cooking are. And we all know this.

Memyselfandsunshine · 16/02/2023 19:23

He isnt getting home until 6 deliberately. Hes doing that to try and make you do dinner for 6 and thereby have evrything his way. because he wants to make the evening and life in general about him.

This is coercive control and my ex used to use all kind of ways to control my time and schedule without actually saying dont do this or that.

He happily let's you do all the housework and chores despite both working full time and throws tantrums when your not home constantly to be a fully obedient wife '

Tell him that you'll reschedule house hold chores and draw up a jobs share so he wont be bored or whining when you're out doing all the shopping chores and child's hobbies.

He sounds annoying as hell and needs to explain why a 10 minute journey is taking 50 minutes every evening
His 50 minute unexplained journey home is what's holding up family dinners op not you or your children's hobbies.

Dont start bowing down to this pathetic controller behavuour

Guis · 16/02/2023 19:26

He is in a new role. And probably still settling into it.
There may well not be a 'leave on time' approach. We should not assume there is.
Perhaps what is the professional role(s) would have been helpful to know.

Retreat · 16/02/2023 19:28

Sorry, but there is no way I’d be putting the rubbish out with a man in the house. I do the majority of the cooking because I enjoy it, DH cleans up the kitchen and is in charge of the dishwashers. DH and I share the DCs activities, however I do more of it. Your DC are of an age where in 5 years they will be off. I say enjoy your time with them.

Rollergirl999 · 16/02/2023 19:28

Surely one night a week he could finish work and be home by 6 to go with the girls to their sport ?

Velvian · 16/02/2023 19:29

The 1 person out of 4 not happy with the way things are needs to change their schedule to fit in with the family if he wants more family time. Not the 3 people change for the 1.

Pardon44 · 16/02/2023 19:37

Could he start work 30 mind earlier so he can finish earlier?

Ultimately, the activity times can't be changes. So he needs to change something that is flexible rather than bitching about it.

He could go to the kids practices and clear them on and get involved.

Cardiffwales · 16/02/2023 19:45

You sound absolutely amazing! If anything it should be you complaining!!

JussathoB · 16/02/2023 19:47

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 17:36

@JussathoB

Whhhhhyyyyyyyy?!

Why which bit?
Basically I thought OP schedule sounds very organised so maybe just try and tweak it so DH is less irritated.
Then I suggested if that hasn’t worked he should take on at least once a week the trip out with DDs.
if none of that helps I would be asking DH what his solution is

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 19:50

@JussathoB

All of it where you place sole responsibility on the op?

Why should she have to make him food? Why can't he make his own or even bitter for everyone?